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Is it just me, or does anyone else see the value of a set of standardized house rules for Valkyrienet that could be referred to with the same ease as, say, Bolted HoI?

Anyway, here are a few suggestions:

- No tech sharing. At all. Certain nations are meant to be backwards, and liberal US sharing can wreck the game completely. Alternatively, a total of, say, 5 techs can be shared by any nations during the course of the game - which can be devastating enough. (Paratroopers, Improved Medium Tank 70+ mm, Nukes...)

- Historical aspiration: the major events that are preprogrammed should be respected and followed, such as Molotov-Ribbentrop, Anschluss, et cetera. Vichy France should be respected unless France has a human player. The Axis should not eat up Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, nor should they strive to make the Baltic states or Finland part of their alliance until after Russia have taken her bite from them.

This only goes so far, of course, a certain amount of what-ifs should remain.

- No exploiting of known bugs, such as exaggerated bomb runs, expeditionary forces through neutrals, etc.

- Bolted HoI is used.

- Pause button should be used with extreme consideration, at startup, and at the start of certain major wars. Apart from that, everyone has to settle for the game speed.

- Unless a general agreement of the opposite is made, the players fills up the major powers in a certain order, such as Germany, UK, Russia, Japan, USA, Italy, France and Nationalist China. The latter two can be substituted for any minors, such as Spain and Turkey.
 
Originally posted by House
why not share all ur techs? did not the americans send the brits SMGs boats etc before they joined the war? whats the complaint here.

Because the USA has the advantage of doing nothing but research, enabling the rest of the allies to devote their entire production to building units. The opposite works, but to a far lesser extent, for the Axis as well.

I don't think that the technological advance that Germany has over the other countries is meant to be just a coincidence, nor should it be nullified before the war even starts. Italy should not have King Tigers, and nationalist China should not have nukes, as far as I'm concerned.

The technological differencies between the countries are meant to represent just that, and should remain intact. Each country should be more than just a geographic location and industry. Assuming, of course, that one wants to play a plausible WW2-game, rather than just... RISK.

Yet, you have a point. Tech sharing could be used, but with a limit. Tech sharing could be used as informal peace or pact agreements. But I couldn't think of a balanced limit, hence I suggested banning all tech sharing.

This has been discussed plenty already, and it seems that the general concensus is that unrestricted tech sharing has a poor impact on the game.
 
Agree, some house rules would be a good idea and tech sharing should be a definate no no!

Don't like some of your other suggestions, (well mainly just the "Historical Aspiration" paragraph and mod's are never a good idea in MP) but ones I'd add are:

No paratrooper exploit (ie dropping/reloading all over Russia or Africa for a quick conquest).

No auto-bombing of fleeing units. Until they're fleeing I don't have such a problem with auto-bombing as a human player should use his fighers to defend against this where as the ai doesn't.
 
Hm, don't like the historical thingy. And it is hard to judge, too. As Sovjetunion the first thing in '36 I normally do is to liberate Scandinavia from the capitalistic suppressors. :D

Now - is that historical or not? It didn't happen, because the Finish put an end to it before it even started. But what would have happened, if the Sovjets would have succesfully conquered Finland?


About tech - sharing: I agree, it should be banned. A game where Italy has all German tech is quite boring ... .
 
Japan Embargo's.....

Another Idea I've seen floating around the boards is for the Japanese player to stop trading on the world markets to make the Anti-Japanese embargo more realistic so Japan has to make do with the resources it has stockpiled once it goes to war with the allies.
 
I personally would like to see a Restricted soviet union more, in mp's ive seen they like to go around and annex :mad: also about that Bolted version, still dont know if most people use that or the regular version, i think i will post a poll :)
 
Originally posted by House
lol ok fair enough so if USA does all tech where do u think its mlitary is gonna go? right down the toilet... hey france.... would u like these 40 divisions in europe helping u or technology? hmmmmmm ok. lol
Given that the tech would make every single one of France's, and the UK's (and all other allies) forces much stronger since they would get all those nifty upgrades that would actually put them far ahead of the German forces, and given that all continental allies could use the resources they would otherwise have used on research to recruit more divisions, I think it is a safe bet that France would go for the tech.

Oh, and with an industrial base of 854+, the US is capable of outresearching everybody and *still* provide a few dozen divisions if absolutely necessary.

And that, of course, is completely neglecting to mention the opening shots of WW2. I refer of course to the well-known tech transfer, Jan 1st, 1936, where the UK transferred 30 techs to the US, France transferred 7 techs to the US, after which the US trasferred 7 techs to the UK and 25 to France. These techs containing several fundamental changes in doctrine and equipment took less than one day to implement and changed the face of the world forever.
 
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I think there's something else we need to consider in MP and that's whether a warning should be given about major invasions? I guess it's a little tricky but we had a game of Germany vs USSR. Germany conquers Poland then invades France. She gets the Vichy event and then redeploys and invades USSR.

USSR gets no notice of the Vichy event (nor of war declarations in general which is a bug that desperatly needs fixing) so it came as a bit of a surprise to have the German hordes marching over the border and not surprisingly thinks it's a bit unfair which on reflection I think so too.

It would make for much more interesting (and fair) conflicts to have some sort of "X" number of days warning, so Germany says, right I'm going to invade in 3 days time, prepare for the onslaught!! rather than just overrunning the front line because the Russian player wasn't looking at that front at the time. What do you think?

I guess the obvious objections would be to the Normany invasion type offensives, but then perhaps as soon as the troops hit the beach you pause the game and raise it to the attention of your opponent so they at least have a couple minutes paused in which to redeploy.
 
I'm for tech sharring..then u can play a small country and have fun.
 
2 Questions/concerns

I understand tech sharing can be gay but I still think there sould be some not main ones I mean like minor ones. I can see tech sharing being gay but I think someone needs to think of something to make it allowable yet not gay.

Where can I find this bolt mod?
 
Originally posted by Ryeuken
What about Italy joining Axis in 1936 and massing about 30+ divisions no French border. Seems to be a common tactic. No way France has chance vs Italy and Germany.

I think a good way to control tech sharing, but still allow it is to make it cost dp's to do. Every tech traded requirin a certain dp expenditure, this way, you can trade away techs but you'll see your diplomatic influence become 0. However, a possible exception to this would be tech sharing in the commonwealth, where it still costs dp, but maybe slightly less, just to portray the unequaled amount of cooperation between these countries.

I'm also all for a reduction in the US industrial strength to the 600's maybe, it will still be singularly higher than any one other country, but not outrageously so. The US should not have a larger industry than the Soviet Union + The Balitc States + Poland + Germany + Austria (granted Germany never ate up Bohemia in this game so that lowers their IC by a good bit i'd imagine).
 
Originally posted by verbal
If you do want to play with tech sharing then I would recommend capping it at a certain number per year.

Damn! You beat me to it ;-) I was thinking along these guidelines.

Allow restricted tech sharing of one per year to each country. The game should be paused the 1st of january and all human åplayers can give away one tech to each country in the game. This would allow for 6 tech shares receivals in a 39-45 campign by each power. Fx Germany can give away her wonderful secret of +30 mm inf guns to all the countries on the balcan to gain diplomatical influence there, some aeirial doctrine to ITaly and another to Japan but only oncea year... like a Xmas present.

One might also consider allowing one start sept 1 st tech share.
 
Response to house rules

It sounds like the goal of most of your houserules could be accomplished simply by playing the 1941 campaign. If you want history to be rigidly locked in, thats the way to go.

I think the point of the 1936 campaign is to really experiment with alternate history.