Suggestion: Adjusting Turkish and Arab Cultures for Historical Accuracy in EU4

[MaidonGladin]

Dear Paradox Interactive Team,

I would like to suggest a revision regarding the cultural group classification of the Turkish and Arab cultures in Europa Universalis IV. Currently, both groups are placed under the same cultural group, but I believe this choice compromises historical accuracy and gameplay dynamics.

Historically, Turks share closer linguistic, cultural, and historical ties with Central Asian groups such as the Kazakhs, Uzbeks, and Turkmens, rather than Arabs. Including Turks in the same cultural group as these Central Asian cultures would better reflect their shared heritage.

Additionally, Arabs frequently rebelled against Ottoman rule during various periods, highlighting the distinct nature of their culture and relationship with the Turks. Placing Arabs in a separate cultural group would not only improve historical realism but also introduce more engaging challenges for players managing Ottoman territories.

This adjustment could enhance both immersion and strategic depth in the game. Thank you for considering this feedback, and I appreciate all the effort your team puts into creating such an exceptional game.

Best regards,

 

[Xdevo]

Dear Paradox Interactive Team,

I would like to suggest a revision regarding the cultural group classification of the Turkish and Arab cultures in Europa Universalis IV. Currently, both groups are placed under the same cultural group, but I believe this choice compromises historical accuracy and gameplay dynamics.

Historically, Turks share closer linguistic, cultural, and historical ties with Central Asian groups such as the Kazakhs, Uzbeks, and Turkmens, rather than Arabs. Including Turks in the same cultural group as these Central Asian cultures would better reflect their shared heritage.

Additionally, Arabs frequently rebelled against Ottoman rule during various periods, highlighting the distinct nature of their culture and relationship with the Turks. Placing Arabs in a separate cultural group would not only improve historical realism but also introduce more engaging challenges for players managing Ottoman territories.

This adjustment could enhance both immersion and strategic depth in the game. Thank you for considering this feedback, and I appreciate all the effort your team puts into creating such an exceptional game.

Best regards,

I'm not sure if you are aware of the history of this, but Turkish used to be in a group (Oghuz) with Azerbijani and Turkmen (modern-day Turkestan) previously in EU4. This was changed in 1.16; the justification being for gameplay purposes (suggesting that the Ottomans should go south as opposed into Azeri and Persian areas). So there was recognition of the shared Turkish language and cultural groups previously.

With regards to where EU4 is now, I think this definitely deserves to be changed, even if it makes Turkish an isolate. There's so many things in the Ottoman mission tree that deals with the potential cultural unrest in Syria, Egypt, etc. Its really overtuned in the game, making not just the Ottomans pretty silly, but also the Mamluks (if the Ottomans fall apart). I doubt this is something that'll be changed since EU5 is more or less confirmed and uses an entirely different set of set of cultural relationships.

I'm not really confident that they'll even have an additional patch, let alone something that'll adjust the culture groups again.

 

[nobodyinparticular]

OP no offense but your syntax reeks of ChatGPT (or some other LLM).

The Levantine cultural group is without a doubt inaccurate but I think it's still very defensible from a gameplay perspectice. The alternative would produce too many fragmented cultures, I think it's best also that Azerbaijani stays in the Persian group and Turkmeni in the Altaic group. For the same reason that Basque is Iberian and Finnish is Nordic.

 

[Vapiritapiri]

OP no offense but your syntax reeks of ChatGPT (or some other LLM).

The Levantine cultural group is without a doubt inaccurate but I think it's still very defensible from a gameplay perspectice. The alternative would produce too many fragmented cultures, I think it's best also that Azerbaijani stays in the Persian group and Turkmeni in the Altaic group. For the same reason that Basque is Iberian and Finnish is Nordic.

Finnish is nordic so that it won't expand to the east and to korea. Lest it reignites the finno-korean rivalry again.

 

[Vin55]

Lol the issues with ai are either way what culture they are from, they railroaded ai to blob in all directions, so I would not see a point against this idea, we did see it with the slowak culture that changes can be made.