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We are starting a new MEM game on the 14th of Jan. If you are looking to try the mod this might be a good occasion. Game is played every Sunday at 18:00 CET, by a group (currently around 10 players).

Post if you have questions are interested here and join up at:

http://xsorbit25.com/users5/hoiplayers/index.php?topic=1363.0

Info about mod can be found here:

http://xsorbit25.com/users5/hoiplayers/index.php?board=129.0

Last AAR which came to an abrubt halt:

http://xsorbit25.com/users5/hoiplayers/index.php?topic=1312.0
 
Current suggestions for line ups:


SETUP A:

Germany - Fiendix
Italy - Orthank
Japan - Andrew
Romania - WW

USSR - Vissarion
UK - P3D
USA - Tyrant
France - Maddog
Poland - Radu
Canada - Tovo

China - Bras
Spain - Hkelukka



SETUP B:

Germany - P3D
Italy - Orthank
Japan - Bras
Romania - WW

USSR - Vissarion
UK - Andrew
USA - Tyrant
France - Maddog
Poland - Radu
Canada - Tovo

China - Fiendix
Spain - Hkelukka

So currently 12 players.

Potential free nations for both line ups:
(remember that they are modded so that they are more able ic wise than in Vanilla Paradox game).

Hungary esp if they get Slovakia
Brazil
Argentina
Netherlands
Finland
 
Base IC:

USA: 590
USSR: 359
Germany: 347
UK: 279
France: 188
Japan: 152
Italy: 134
Poland: 74
Canada: 65
Spain: 61
Romania: 60
Brazil: 55
Argentina: 52
China: 50
Yugo: 50
Netherlands: 45
Hungary: 45
Belgium: 40
Turkey: 40
Australia: 40
Bulgaria: 32
Sweden: 30
Czechoslovakia: 29
Norway: 28
South Africa: 28
Finland: 28
Demark: 21
Greece: 20
 
Ok recruitment closed. Final line up with 14 players:

Alliances:

AXIS

GER - P3D
ITA - Hkelukka
JAP - Andrew
ROM - Radu
SPA - WW
HUN - Vissarion

ALLY/COMMITERN

UK - Tyrant
SU - Fiendix
FR - Maddog
CAN- Tovo
USA- Orthank
POL- Facist (if Kyril is not about)
AUS- Kyril


OTHER

China - Brasidas
 
Fiendix said:
Base IC:

USA: 590
USSR: 359
Germany: 347
UK: 279
France: 188
Japan: 152
Italy: 134
Poland: 74
Canada: 65
Spain: 61
Romania: 60
Brazil: 55
Argentina: 52
China: 50
Yugo: 50
Netherlands: 45
Hungary: 45
Belgium: 40
Turkey: 40
Australia: 40
Bulgaria: 32
Sweden: 30
Czechoslovakia: 29
Norway: 28
South Africa: 28
Finland: 28
Demark: 21
Greece: 20


Romania has as much IC as Spain ?
And Poland does even more than that ?
Ridiculous
 
ok - realise its an MP MOD - you have to make the minors more fun to play and balanced. Things for some nations will be higher, that doesnt mean they will be able to build much more than they did historically. Plus remember that the mp levels are different and the costs that nations have to "pay" for units, upgrades, the time it takes to build plus the available ic during peace also is different, etc etc. Its a typical mistake for players that play only vanilla and think they have tonnes of mp to spare to build zounds of army. It would be well if you played and then said what was "ridiculous" and what was not. It would also be good if you knew what you were talking about when it comes to ic = gdp of poland.

FYI, here's a table of 1938 GDP values from Angus Maddison's historical series. The numbers are millions of 1990 US$ adjusted for purchasing power parity.

United States 799,357
Germany 342,351
United Kingdom 297,619
China 288,549
India 251,375
France 187,402
Japan 176,051
Italy 143,981
Indonesia 80,044
Poland 67,788
Argentina 55,883
Canada 52,060
Brazil 50,376
Netherlands 45,593
Spain 45,255
Australia 40,639
Belgium 40,466
Mexico 35,356
Sweden 29,759
Turkey 29,338
Switzerland 26,785
South Korea 24,895
Hungary 24,342
Austria 24,037
Philippines 22,948
Yugoslavia 21,817
Denmark 21,765
Romania 19,375
Greece 18,901
Colombia 16,038
Chile 15,410
Venezuela 15,015
Finland 13,123
Portugal 13,084
Norway 12,514
Thailand 12,380
Peru 12,006
Burma 11,942
Bulgaria 10,470
New Zealand 10,365
Ireland 8,965


imagine Poland right after italy.... maybe it should be a major :p - china 4th? not so easy to interpret eh, India 5th?? you really need to do more research before you say something.

anyways since the mod is in constant developement things are changed from patch to patch and ic does flux - furthermore constructive critism is always welcome as long as somebody actually bothers to play the mod in mp. nothing is set in stone and depends on the flow of the game. I am not as arrogant as some modders and dont claim everything in the mod is without error, however it is a step forward over vanilla MP games. I have had more longer games with this mod, better comebacks than in any vanilla game where you just zerg over the russians and in 1 month are in moscow. In this mod its simply not possible. If you like to zerg and clickfests play vanilla not this mod as you wont be happy.
 
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Fiendix said:
ok - realise its an MP MOD - you have to make the minors more fun to play and balanced.

That's what I am saying, it is ridiculous that Spain is
industrially weaker than Poland and Romania is almost
as strong as Spain.

It is ridiculous and not fair for the Spaniards.

Are you from Poland by any chance, Fiendix?
 
again its hard to discuss if you havent played in mp - play the mod and then let me know. Things at times need to be a "little" off to give balance. Yes I am from Poland, but actually the ic level thats there is what Mithel originally did without my input- and he's from the USA ;). If I used all numbers directly then many nations that had a bigger influence couldnt do much due to the raised costs of units, changed mp, changed resources, changed supply needs, changed reinforcements costs, battle system, sliders etc etc etc. Players did want more ic and since the balance has not been threatened thats what they got.

Its not crazy that Poland's ic is greater than that of Spain - the above GDP list just proves that it was. So I dont understand your problem. The ic poland has still "only" enables it to get the circa 1000 k troops it had at the level. Believe it or not its there more for germany (germany usually kills poland off historically in 30 days with no problem) to gain the ic off the polish lands (as its weakened a tad before danzig) - which it needs to recieve a boost before France. Furthermore a portion of the ic goes to russia which make the RM pact a more "natural" course of action - which this mod prefers. Poland still dies dont fret. If more german players say its too high it will get a peace modifier so it has less available IC. I would be against changing ic base as that would give germany much less ic.

Romania - yes I agree they do have more ic than historical and I will not argue that they dont - on the other hand they really need the extra IC to compensate it for the more head on situaton it has with russia or germany plus to get their army to "historic" levels. So It has that IC specifically as it would be too handicapped. There actually were calls to add more ic which is not a good idea IMO. Note that they also lose 8 ic in the russian event. Usually another bargining chip in the MR pact.

Spain, which btw didnt join the war and thus never went to war production thus makes it harder to estimate, shouldnt IMO be given more ic, as it, due to its geografic position, can benefit the side it joins greatly and cause unbalance. Due to the larger cost of eg aircraft it could be too successfull in producing techs (with the extra slots) and potentially greatly complicate the balance. Frankly I would be for spain to be played by the ai each time and not want to join any alliance in the game. Currently the way I see it it compensates canada just fine (same ic levels).

That said Spain has recently recieved an increase of techs from the feedback recieved from players that had spain under their control in mp and is always open to review after mp sessions.

Thanks
 
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