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George @ BattleGoat

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One of the things we took pride in with Supreme Ruler 2010 and 2020 was the level of research that we did to provide economic, political, and military realism to these games. Without the Internet, there would have been no way that a game such as ours could have been made without a HUGE team of researchers looking up this data. As it is, we have literally spent years of time mapping out political relationships, social values, population distributions, locations of military bases, where all the various mineral deposits are in the world, investigating the real world inventories of military equipment ("Order-of-Battle", or ORBATS), analysing the stats and locations for all of that military hardware, determining game specs for each type of unit, and even down to figuring out the locations of all nuclear power plants in the world and the quantity of materials necessary to make nuclear weapons (causing us to wonder if this would generate a visit from the RCMP - Canada's less scary equivalent to the FBI). Both previous games were set in the "near future" so we had some poetic license with the data, since the conditions that provided the story-lines for the games were bound to have some effect on the conditions of nations, but we did our absolute best to ensure accuracy.

Now we're working on Cold War... What's the difference? Well, the advantage we had dealing with the "near future" is that we could look at today's data and extrapolate it for five or ten years down the line, based on the circumstances that we described in our story lines. For researching modern-day information, there's the wonderful Internet. Virtually everything is available: National Debt, GDP, Literacy Rates, Key Import/Export Data, Political Makeup, International Relationships etc... etc... At this time I should probably give a tip of the hat to some of the key websites, in no particular order, that provided invaluable help in the previous games: The US Department of Energy; Nationmaster.com; Scramble.nl (Airforce overviews); Army.mil; US Energy Information Administration; Periscope; GlobalSecurity.org; and of course my favorite... the CIA World Factbook!

The problem now is we're not looking for current data, instead we're looking for data from 60 years ago! They didn't have the Internet back then... instead they had something called "books". Not as convenient as typing in a search engine, but it should work... Hmmm, I don't know about your local library, but ours doesn't stock many Atlases from 1950. Someone somewhere should have converted all this historic information to digital and put it on the Internet somewhere? You would think so, but good luck trying to find it! I know that this Dev Diary is now beginning to sound more like a rant than a Diary, so here I'll fess up and let you know how I've spent my past couple of weeks. From the 2010/2020 maps, we needed to redo the Road and Rail networks around the world for our 1950 map. I guess I drew short straw (although I don't actually remember doing that) and I've re-painting the roads and rails. First I spent a few days trying to locate a good source for Major Roads and Rails for ALL nations of the world in 1950 so that we could have a common standard one nation to the next. For some countries the Internet still provided the answers (1950 map of US interstates for instance), but for most, there just hasn't been a decent source. We picked up the "Complete National Geographic" set on DVD and I've been having to use old maps from that so that we could have something of a common standard. Don't get me wrong, they have the information I need, but most of them have too much other data as well and they are just scans of the old maps so I can't filter out the topography, or the river names, or the myriad of other miscellaneous data and they are "difficult" to follow at times. Bottom line... after about four or five hours per day of looking at these maps and trying to figure out which road and rail lines were key and then mapping them on our 1950 Game Map, my eyes feel like they're going to explode. And at the time I thought it was a pain doing this for SR2010... silly me!

That's just one example of our new research challenges (and it happened to coincide with the timing on needing to do a new Dev Diary)! So for all you would be Game Designers out there who think this is glamorous occupation, like every job, it has its good days and its "Loathsomely Tedious" days!

-- David Thompson, Lead Designer, BattleGoat Studios

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Just some of the reference material for Supreme Ruler Cold War
 
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It's pretty amazing the job you guys have doing research. I think that these efforts are ALWAYS welcome because it always bring something historical and more close to the reality.

I'm looking forward to play this ASAP.
 
I'm sorry for being sarcastic but .. I'm surprised I didn't find old VHC of "Red Down" movie among the books at this picture above:)))) ( evil communist = bad guys, brave Americans = good guys ).

In fact, even if I was sarcastic there is a bit of true. During the ColdWar all mass media ( including books and such maniac propaganda writers as Tom Clancy ) were under the influence of anti-communist schizophrenia. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Stalin was a peace lover innocent guy, I'm just saying that It's almost impossible to find any free objective American books or articles about Soviets at that time. Especially atlases and other government based materials.

I've started reading political literature when I was 13 or 14. The first two American books I read about us ( Soviets ) were - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pipes - Russia Under the Old Regime (1974) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Hosking - The First Socialist Society: A History of the Soviet Union from Within ( 1992 )

Today this books look very funny since the world knows lot of new stuff but the beauty of the story is that those books were written in ColdWar time and it shows anti-Soviet propaganda sooo beautiful ... and naive. Well, after reading this books I've realized how far americans are from realistic understanding of Russia-USSR .

Any way, that's great that BG team is actually trying to get additional information by their own. At lease, we will not get another “Red Alert” with Stalin dreaming to occupy the whole Europe and other Soviet Politburo leaders nuking all around like mad red monkeys.

P.S. Once I went to England as student for two weeks. I went to library at international campus and found British encyclopedia of modern history, or something ( it was coldwar time edition book ). The only note about Russians ( or soviets ) I found in the book was big picture of amount of evil ruskies nuclear warheads aimed on Europe. That’s it.
 
One of the things we took pride in with Supreme Ruler 2010 and 2020 was the level of research that we did to provide economic, political, and military realism to these games.

I noticed this myself with some amazement. The research gone into the starting setup of SR2010 and 2020 was enormous and the result magnificent. I hope you can repeat the effect with SR CW.

@MaxRiga: And what exactly did Soviet propaganda say about the West? :)
 
i also have to give you guys kudos about the amount of research you put into 2020. its absolutely amazing. it is by far the most militarily detailed game i have ever played reflecting 21st century battle units. keep up the good work and keep us posted if theres anything else you guys need. i have plenty of spare time at work and if i come across anything online, i'd be more than happy to post it if it helps.
 
@MaxRiga: And what exactly did Soviet propaganda say about the West?

The situation in Soviet Union was a bit different . In America people mostly think the same way as government. If Reagan says - "Soviets are empire of evil" most of American believes so. A the same time in USSR was massive anti American propaganda but it creates back effect, if you know what I mean. Soviet people, in fact, loved America and admires of it as a protest against their own Soviet government. So, to answer on your question - yes, propaganda did exist in USSR but just a few people really believed in what this propaganda said.
But not all Westerns believed in American propaganda as well. One of them came up with great song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs
 
seconded the Essence of Decision recommendation; it is a key book for understanding the missile crisis.

I am looking forward to this game very much, but I don't want it too soon, if you understand me, I would rather wait and have a brilliant game then have you rush things just to meet our demands.

good work Battlegoat!!!
 
The situation in Soviet Union was a bit different . In America people mostly think the same way as government. If Reagan says - "Soviets are empire of evil" most of American believes so. A the same time in USSR was massive anti American propaganda but it creates back effect, if you know what I mean. Soviet people, in fact, loved America and admires of it as a protest against their own Soviet government. So, to answer on your question - yes, propaganda did exist in USSR but just a few people really believed in what this propaganda said.
But not all Westerns believed in American propaganda as well. One of them came up with great song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs

Yea, its difficult to find non-bias cold war material, especially from that era.

Keep up the good work Battlegoat! Will check back periodically for updates
 
Ugh.... I hope not. Wikipedia is fine if you want to look up info. on a game, or even for trivia, and maybe as a limited intro. on a subject. However, all too often the answers on Wikipedia are incomplete, based on mediocre data, ideologically based, etc. That isn't to say that Wikipedia isn't any good, but don't build a house on that foundation.... know what I mean?
 
Yea, its difficult to find non-bias cold war material, especially from that era.

Keep up the good work Battlegoat! Will check back periodically for updates

Richard Immerman at Temple University is one of the best Cold War historians and there are some others that are very good. That isn't my field, but Immerman's work and the bibliography contained therein is a good place to start.