Switching primary king title breaks taxes completely...?

[Lessing]

Crown laws etc are still a big unknown for me, so bear with me pls.

This is a pretty big one, if it's true.

I was switching between my kingdom primary titles to get the gavelkind succession bonus from a formerly muslim kingdom without changing my Irish succession laws (I started as Ireland). It's a bit gamey, I know. I plan to switch back before my ruler gets old.

I switched to Portugal first. Here the laws, and the demesne income. Note the feudal tax income is at 0.00 even though Portugal has small feudal taxation. That can't be right.

I was peeved. That feudal tax was half of my income! So I switched to Ireland.

There, I got my taxes back, hooray! Just to give it one more test, I switched to Africa for the gavelkind.

And there you go. I got gavelkind AND feudal tax even though Africa has no feudal taxation.

Is that as it should be?

 

[Lessing]

I played with it a little more. Reloaded, and my feudal tax income was 0. Switched to Portugal (min feudal tax), no income. Switched to Ireland (same), no income.

Then after a while (2 months maybe?), suddenly my feudal tax income was back. Switched to Africa (no feudal tax) to get gavelkind, feudal tax income remained at 428g. Few months later, feudal tax income gone.

Seems to work with a massive delay.... ?

 

[BlckKnght]

A lot of things in the game get updated only every few days or weeks, and sometimes that makes the UI not shot up to date information. I suspect this is one of those times. Probably the income summary shown on the title view is only updated occasionally (even though the vassals in that kingdom will probably be paying you their taxes all throughout the time it shows zero).

I think the devs have said that fixing these kinds of UI delay issues are very difficult (requiring fundamental changes to the game engine) and so we shouldn't expect them to be fixed any time soon.

 

[Lessing]

A lot of things in the game get updated only every few days or weeks, and sometimes that makes the UI not shot up to date information. I suspect this is one of those times. Probably the income summary shown on the title view is only updated occasionally (even though the vassals in that kingdom will probably be paying you their taxes all throughout the time it shows zero).

I think the devs have said that fixing these kinds of UI delay issues are very difficult (requiring fundamental changes to the game engine) and so we shouldn't expect them to be fixed any time soon.

Nah, I really earn less money in that time. It's not only UI lag.

 

[K-vald]

Nah, I really earn less money in that time. It's not only UI lag.

It may be lag but not UI orientated lag. Do you have that save file available? Please upload it if you do.

 

[Lessing]

here you go:

http://www.mediafire.com/?2em85bzjtv80z92

Primary title in that save should be Ireland, and you can see there's no income from feudal taxation, although there should be.

 

[K-vald]

Ok, thank you, will have a look!

UPDATE: It appears to be a case of lag, same goes with the updating of the name on the map. The name won't change right away, you have to give it some time to do so.
I'm not able to actually reproduce the issue with taxation being reduced to 0.00 on title switch, it begins on 0.00 as you say, but once changed, it will remain at 500.0 regardless of how many times I change titles.

 

[londoner247]

Crown laws etc are still a big unknown for me, so bear with me pls.

This is a pretty big one, if it's true.

I was switching between my kingdom primary titles to get the gavelkind succession bonus from a formerly muslim kingdom without changing my Irish succession laws (I started as Ireland). It's a bit gamey, I know. I plan to switch back before my ruler gets old.

Although my comments aren't on the UI bug you've reported, I wanted to pick up on these comments.

As far as I am aware, changing your primary title does not have the sort of impact you are talking about. The succession laws of each kingdom affect that kingdom alone and so if there are differences across a very large realm (like yours) then this will affect where titles go on death but choosing which Kingdom to have as your primary won't make a difference.

There is a reported bug about succession law opinion modifiers not being correctly applied in that vassals who have territory in only one part of your realm seem to have succession law opinion modifiers that are not related to the succession laws affecting those vassals but simply in place in another part of your realm. It is being looked into (and may not be a bug if the affected vassals have family in those other parts of your realm and are therefore affected by succession laws applying to a relative rather than applying to them) but I don't think this bug is necessarily what you are talking about.

So, as I say, I don't think there is any benefit of the type you were talking about in changing your primary title. If I am wrong on this I would apprecaite feedback from others explaining what the benefits are because as far as I can tell all that happens is that your country name and flag change when you change your title.

 

[Lessing]

when I switch to a kingdom with gavelkind succession, I definetely gain the gavelkind bonus for my demesne size.

Another question: when I change my primary king title, why does the tax rate change for vassals in an entirely different kingdom? Is that intended? Opinion modifiers that are connected to laws change with the title change, too.

 

[K-vald]

when I switch to a kingdom with gavelkind succession, I definetely gain the gavelkind bonus for my demesne size.

Another question: when I change my primary king title, why does the tax rate change for vassals in an entirely different kingdom? Is that intended? Opinion modifiers that are connected to laws change with the title change, too.

Yes, you gain the succession law opinion modifier for your whole realm. The same goes if you have different succession laws in different kingdoms. These will still have an impact on peoples opinion. This has been reported before.

Taxation is partly modified by opinion, if you hover the mouse over the digits it will tell you more about how much each vassal pays you. In case of low opinion they will pay you very little and this will be indicated with "(low opinion)".

 

[Lessing]

I get the taxation<->opinion part, I just wonder if it's intended that I can switch primary king title from a kingdom with high taxes to a kingdom with low taxes if I face rebellions? i.e. Ireland has strict laws, Mauretania has laissez-faire, so when my character dies, I switch to Mauretania as primary king title and everybody's happier at once?

I always was under the impression that tax/levy laws are global and independet of the current king title, not connected to a king title. But when I switch primary king title, I get the tax/levy laws of that kingdom for all vassals in all kingdoms.