Sword of Victory

[Karzan]

Is it possible, as an Artorian, to sacrifice imprisoned enemy kings with the Sword of Victory, as mentioned in the geneaology trait? It's 1068, I've imprisoned the king of Wessex, and I'd like to put a sword in his heart and get piety for it.

Edit: Adding cultural artifact suggestions

Religion

Christianity
-Holy Grail (Merovingians)
-The True Cross (Crusader States? Depends, with this timeline)
-Spear of Destiny
-Ascalon: Sword or Spear of St. George
-Knucklebone of St. Severus
-Iron Crown of Lombardy

Jewish
-Ark of the Covenant or 10 Commandments
-Menorah of from the Temple (famously stolen by Hadrian or Trajan?)
-Staff of Moses
-Seal of Solomon

Norse Religious Group
-Draupnir: Odin's Ring of Infinite Wealth
-Thor's Girdle of Strength

Muslim
-Zufaqir: Sword of Ali

Solar
-Black Heart of Sol (Imperium Romanum)

Culture

Artorians
-Sword of Victory: Presumed to be Excalibur (Dumnonian Constantinids, if Geneaology Trait is correct)

Welsh
-Crocea Mors: Caesar's Sword, stuck in Prince Nennius's shield, killing everyone it touched

Franks
-Durendal: Roland's Sword
-Curtana: Ogier the Dane's Sword
-Joyeuse: Charlemagne's Sword (Carolingians)
-Almace: Sword of Bishop Turpin

Hispania (Romano-Goths, Lusitanians, Basque, and Romano-Iberians)
-Tizona: El Cid's sword. We'll need a Shaytana El Cid

Persian/Sassanid
-Shamshir-e Zomorrodnegar: Emerald Studded, Demon-Killing Sword which belonged to King Solomon (possibly Jewish?)

Hellens
-Bridle of Bucephalus
-Oxcart of Gordias
-Alexander's White-Plumed Helmet
-Herakles' Bow or Pelt
-Lamp of Diogenes
-Body of Alexander (Or is it lost in Shaytana's timeline as well?)

Irish
-Ceard-nan Gallan: Sword of Mythic, Irish Poet Oisin
-Claíomh Solais: Another mythical, Irish sword belonging to Nuada Silverhand
-Ogma's Whip: Yet another mythical, Irish weapon. The spear used to guide the sun.
-Ardagh Hoard

Slavic
-Kladenets: Sword of Slavic God Sventovits

Norse
-Hrunting: Beowulf's Sword
-Gram ("Wrath"): Sword of Sigurd
-Draupnir: Odin's Arm-Torc of Infinite Wealth
-Thor's Girdle of Strength

Not Extant Yet:
-Legbiter: Sword of King Magnus "Barelegs" (or "Barefoot") (This could be Irish or Norse)
-Lobera: Wolf-Slaying Sword of Ferdinand III of Spain


Books

- The Trial and Death of Socrates by Plato.
- The Epic of Gilgamesh
- Tacitus' Annales.
- Plato's Republic
- The Satyrikon
- The Nekronomikon, by prominent Ahrimanist Erotechnes.
- Caesar's De Bello Gallico
- Claudius' Historia Punica and Historia Etrusca (oh, how I wish we had these books now!)
- The Second Book of Poetics by Aristotle
- Oedipus Rex
- Marcus Aurelius' Meditationes.
- Megasthenes' Indike.
- The Gospel of Philip
- The Gospel of Judas
- The Gospel of Mary
- Procopius' Secret History.
- Code of Hammurabi (the big stone itself, today in the Louvre).
- Xenophon's Anabasis
- The Lament for Ur
- The Book of the Dead?
- Archimedes' On Sphere Making
- Aristarchus' Heliocentric model.
- Augustus' De Vita Sua
- Claudius' De Arte Alea (a book about playing dice, I say this improves the odds of rolling the game dices)
- Cato the Elder's Carmen de Moribus.
- Ctesias' Persike and Indike.
- Arzhang, the holy book of Manicheism

 

[Djacir]

No, but hopefully there will be a few cool events for this in the future, it would be nice.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

I guess we should wonder which one of the several Arthurian dynasties has the Sword of Victory...

 

[riknap]

well, they could all have different blades that they claim is the true Sword of Promised Victory, maybe even each matching their cultural background and thus their "interpretation" of the true Arturian culture, for starters...

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

well, they could all have different blades that they claim is the true Sword of Promised Victory, maybe even each matching their cultural background and thus their "interpretation" of the true Arturian culture, for starters...

Several of them, which means one must be called Excalibur.

 

[Karzan]

Several of them, which means one must be called Excalibur.

In the Geneaology Traits, Dumnonia (the Constantinid branch) is said to currently possess the sword. Of course, it should be possible to kill them and take the sword.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

In the Geneaology Traits, Dumnonia (the Constantinid branch) is said to currently possess the sword. Of course, it should be possible to kill them and take the sword.

All we need is the Valyrian Sword dynamics from the Game of Thrones mod.

 

[DarkReborn]

All we need is the Valyrian Sword dynamics from the Game of Thrones mod.

I could, but porting the whole system for just one sword... seems a waste. I'll think about it though.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

I could, but porting the whole system for just one sword... seems a waste. I'll think about it though.

Of course, of course, it's a bit excessive! xD

 

[DarkReborn]

Of course, of course, it's a bit excessive! xD

Not that excessive (remember, this is the mod that has things like apocalyptic cults worshipping Fenrir or Ahriman around), but just you know... the system would be wasted on just one sword, someone posted a list of weapons on which we could use the system... but many of them were of dubious semi-legendary origins, more so than the Scythian Sword(s) of Victory, which at least was an attested symbol of the main Scythian divinity (Equated to Ares by Herodotus), and I guess it's something that was carried over to the Sarmato-Brython melting plot.

Anyway, as I said before, I'll think about it, even if the system only includes the Sword of Victory and some other generic "quality swords".

Who am I kidding? It will eventually get buried under some other work

 

[ringhloth]

Browsing through the religions/characters, a few things popped out at me: Lugh had a few sacred possessions. Perhaps an event which let you find one them, and the Solar-Imperials have the Black Heart of Sol. Not really sure if this is small enough to be considered a possession. The only history I saw was it being thrown and then fished out of the river Tiber, so it's probably big, but definitely not unmovable.

Were there any more secular symbols? Something akin to the Imperial Seal in China.

 

[turnad]

Some sort of relic system would be good for later if relics for the religions are added.

 

[TheChronoMaster]

Lunatic characters should totally try attacking a castle with their sword during sieges, as a note. It'd be a reference to the Seven Deadly Sins promos, old strategy games like AoE, and Fate/stay night (where the Sword of Promised Victory is actually defined as an 'Anti-Fortress Weapon'...) all at once, if written well!

 

[riknap]

Lunatic characters should totally try attacking a castle with their sword during sieges, as a note. It'd be a reference to the Seven Deadly Sins promos, old strategy games like AoE, and Fate/stay night (where the Sword of Promised Victory is actually defined as an 'Anti-Fortress Weapon'...) all at once, if written well!

well, technically, it's the beam attack when the sword is unsealed that makes it classified as an anti-fortress weapon anyway

still, I do agree with enough writing skill (and enough working knowledge of Arthurian lore, related history, and other fictional media that reference it), it'd be a nice event-series to make. hell, it's actually one of my pipe-dream projects I'd like to work on actually (ie. a series of events related to the sword of victory), but never have enough time to actually even conceptualize beyond a vague idea.

 

[Karzan]

The way I see it, the Sword would be similar to the Game of Thrones mod system, and have an event tied to it similar to the Game of Thrones execution system, where worshippers of Rhlorr, upon deciding to execute someone, can burn them for piety, or dragon riders can feed them to dragons for Cruelty. Similarly, the Sword of Victory could be used to execute prisoners with varying degrees of Authority conferred to the user depending on the rank of the victim ( with shit tons for emperor-executions, one should think ).

As for other items: Religious relics lend themselves easily. As well as famous artifacts, like the Mask of Agamemnon (a golden, Mycenaean death mask which exists today) conferring stewardship and wealth, similar to the Elder Kings artifacts like Orgnum's Coffer.

Spear of Victory - Longinus's spear used to pierce Christ's side, conferring martial, zealous, and "Holy Warrior" bonuses

Crown of Thorns - Diplomacy and Piety

Charlemagne's Sword (I forget the name) - Martial

Tizona (El Cid's Sword) - Diplomacy and martial

Just some ideas

 

[Summercat]

The way I see it, the Sword would be similar to the Game of Thrones mod system, and have an event tied to it similar to the Game of Thrones execution system, where worshippers of Rhlorr, upon deciding to execute someone, can burn them for piety, or dragon riders can feed them to dragons for Cruelty. Similarly, the Sword of Victory could be used to execute prisoners with varying degrees of Authority conferred to the user depending on the rank of the victim ( with shit tons for emperor-executions, one should think ).

As for other items: Religious relics lend themselves easily. As well as famous artifacts, like the Mask of Agamemnon (a golden, Mycenaean death mask which exists today) conferring stewardship and wealth, similar to the Elder Kings artifacts like Orgnum's Coffer.

Spear of Victory - Longinus's spear used to pierce Christ's side, conferring martial, zealous, and "Holy Warrior" bonuses

Crown of Thorns - Diplomacy and Piety

Charlemagne's Sword (I forget the name) - Martial

Tizona (El Cid's Sword) - Diplomacy and martial

Just some ideas

Might want to avoid the Crown of Thorns, but... Hmm.

If I could ever figure out the SELIN matrix. *chuckle* But what about 1-3 artifacts per 'civilization', and maybe one per empire as well? That'd be 13 to 39 'civilization' artifacts, and then one for every empire (Maybe limit it to 'landed'?)

There'd have to be flavor events regarding it, and I would think owning an artifact would get an Authority bonus.

Let's see...

- Finding an artifact. Some of the artifacts aren't in play at start, and would have to be searched out. Some artifacts can be lost, and would need to be found again. Stewardship event chain.
- Stealing an artifact. Would have to be a plot, I would think.
- Losing an artifact - upon death, instead of going to the character's heir, the artifact can disappear and become 'lost'. Finding the artifact would then have to go through the above event chain - perhaps with a one-generation "can_go_find_artifactname" flag that starts the chain via decision.
- Creating an artifact - Would require a lot of Authority and an Empire title. Maybe would need to be tied by Empire, and each Empire gets only one artifact - thus allowing new empires to form their own artifacts.
-Forging an artifact?
-Destroying an artifact?

And types of artifacts: Crowns, Swords, Shields, Scepters, other weapons. Perhaps a book, or a Stone (of Scone?)?

 

[richvh]

The Holy Grail. The Ark of the Covenant. The True Cross.
The Bow of Odysseus.

Some items might be cursed, and you get an involved event chain to try to get rid of them... only for them to turn up somewhere at a later date.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

The way I see it, the Sword would be similar to the Game of Thrones mod system, and have an event tied to it similar to the Game of Thrones execution system, where worshippers of Rhlorr, upon deciding to execute someone, can burn them for piety, or dragon riders can feed them to dragons for Cruelty. Similarly, the Sword of Victory could be used to execute prisoners with varying degrees of Authority conferred to the user depending on the rank of the victim ( with shit tons for emperor-executions, one should think ).

As for other items: Religious relics lend themselves easily. As well as famous artifacts, like the Mask of Agamemnon (a golden, Mycenaean death mask which exists today) conferring stewardship and wealth, similar to the Elder Kings artifacts like Orgnum's Coffer.

Spear of Victory - Longinus's spear used to pierce Christ's side, conferring martial, zealous, and "Holy Warrior" bonuses

Crown of Thorns - Diplomacy and Piety

Charlemagne's Sword (I forget the name) - Martial

There are hundreds of famous swords in Europe, there's no shortage of those. Charlemagne's sword, the one Jeanne of Arc "found" buried, I think it has no name of its own, but the French kings used a sword named Joyeuse (considered by the Roland cicles to be Charlemagne's sword, yes), and there's also Roland's own sword Durendal and Ogier the Dane's Curtana.

The Counts of Barcelona won over the years (or had in their arsenals) several "magical" swords, the most prominent of the two being the Sword of St Martin (on display in Paris nowadays, I think Napoleon took it home) and Vilardella (I think it was lost during the Napoleonic invasion too).

Tizona (El Cid's Sword) - Diplomacy and martial

El Cid had two swords: Tizona and Colada. Colada was the sword he took from the Count of Barcelona after defeating him. Tizona was won in Valencia when el Cid took the city, and it belonged to the moor king.

That's if we believe the story, of course. We don't have any Vivars or any Cid in Lux Invicta, as far as I know, and the concept of El Cid doesn't work in a shattered world without monolithic religious blocks from which to draw identity or meaning... But El Cid did win the swords from other people. Colada is yet another magical or famous sword owned by the Counts of Barcelona, but there's evidence that Tizona was, in fact, the one that El Cid took from the Counts of Barcelona. It went again into this family though the marriage of one of El Cid's daughters with the Count of Barcelona, probably, since it's mentioned again in James the Conqueror's autobiography and Peter the Cerimonious' testament as Tissó (and stated in the last one to be also known as Vilardellus.

As for the second sword, be it Tizona or Colada, it was owned by the Moorish King of Valencia, and is said to come from Morocco. Granted, it has no special meaning until is "the sword of El Cid".

Maybe we could have a reversed Cid. Or make the Severans the Cids of Mithraism in Spain (called by some other title, like Domines or Cyres (from Greek Kyrios), given that Mithraism might have orientalised them a wee bit).

The Holy Grail.

In the hands of the Merovingians'

 

[richvh]

The knuckle-bone of Saint Severus, as an homage to a great AAR.

 

[Summercat]

Christian Civilization Artifact
-The Holy Grail
-The True Cross
-Spear of Destiny

Jewish Civilization Artifact
-Ark of the Covenant
-Ten Commandment Slabs

Mmm. What good artifact could we give from Alexandros of the Juilo-Argead fame?