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Jos Theelen

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In EU(2) and Victoria, technology development is an important feature in the game. So I assume that CK will also have some kind of technologies.

I know from the Netherlands, that in the CK-timeperiod they invented tools to keep land dry, to build better ships and other things.

Do you also know some inventions in this time?
 
Trebuchet, Cannon and other military technology are pretty obvious. Widespread use of the longbow among Welsh and English troops (obviously the bow wasn't invented during this time).

Just a few ideas, which the developers undoubtedly know.
 
Originally posted by Jos Theelen

I know from the Netherlands, that in the CK-timeperiod they invented tools to keep land dry
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Yes, tissue papers was a much-overlooked invention in 14th century Flanders.

Seriously? The period between 1000 and 1450 was an extremely creative period in terms of inventions. Most of the innovations attributed to the renaissance were actually made in the high- og late middle ages...

A good example is the utilization of water power. Water powered mills appeared in the 11th century in southern europe and spread rapidly. This kept going until the 14th century water power was used to power forges - amongst other things making the large-scale, low-labor intensive production of steel plating possible, along with the ability to draw just about any length of thread with water-powered drawwheels.

EF
 
Most of the inventions were made by muslims those days and were imported to the west by returning crusaders or traders. I wonder how this will be incorporated in CK...
 
I think that armor developed much in CK timeline and this fact should be also included in this game.
 
Originally posted by Murmurandus
Most of the inventions were made by muslims those days and were imported to the west by returning crusaders or traders. I wonder how this will be incorporated in CK...
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Most of the inventions? Nonsense. Indeed a great deal of technical applications were imported from the muslim world but it was the combination of these imports and indegenious innovation that produced the rise of technical skills and applications in 13-15th europe, and indeed some things went the other way: the aforementioned watermill, for example, wasn't common along the riverbanks in the middle east until after the crusades. Metalsmithies in the east never found the need to implement labor-saving water power to any degree until the baroque period, though.

Indeed some imports came from the muslim world. However, most of these were theorethical instead of applied. The much-heralded castle building techniques "brought back" from the holy land, for example, were actually only brought back in the form of mathematics - the practical application into stonework was the work of the occidentals.

The fork wasn't common until well into the baroque era.
 
You might have a point here, Endre Fodstad, my wording was not that good. Indeed I was referring more to the theoritical knowledge rather then to practical applications.

However this does not change the fact that lots of 'things' were brought (back) to Western Europe by the Crusaders or traders...:)
 
Originally posted by Murmurandus
Indeed I was referring more to the theoritical knowledge rather then to practical applications.
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That certainly is true. I have spent some time studying the reconquista in Iberia, and it seems that contact between the Spanish and Muslims here is how much knowledge was transmitted to western Europe - from some of the Greek classic texts (translated from Greek->Arabic->Latin), to scientific knowledge such as astronomy and mathematics (if I'm not mistaken, the etymology of algebra is Arabic). I wonder if there is a mechanism in CK for the dissemination of knowledge in this manner.... :cool:

However this does not change the fact that lots of 'things' were brought (back) to Western Europe by the Crusaders or traders...
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Also, didn't the crusaders bring back many "luxury" goods from the Holy Lands that had been imported from further east (that had not yet made it as far as western Europe)?
 
random facts about The Fork (cause i know you're all dying to know)...

it was in fact invented in the 12th or 13th century, but the clergy regarded it as a foolish affectation and an afront to god. apparently, eating with your hands was how god meant for man to eat, so using a fork was sacriligious. the fork remained in use only by select italian noble women (who felt that having clean hands was more important that looking good for priests) until the late renessaince, when everyone realized that the clergy were idiots and forks were useful.

so maybe there could be an event "Mylord, the church opposes our use of the fork. Piety -10, RR +15":D
 
Byzantine forks where found in Viking ships in England. I know that they where using the forks at the time of the crusades at the very least. I would be surprised if they had been using it thru the Byzantine Dark Ages.
 
I would say that changes in finance, production, trade, and social organization during the period were more important and significant than changes in military tactics or political organization.
 
Originally posted by Keynes
I would say that changes in finance, production, trade, and social organization during the period were more important and significant than changes in military tactics or political organization.
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I'm not disagreeing with you....

I was just expressing my fears that the economic model will not represented accurately enough to take into account your earlier suggestions. The truth is, we no practically nothing about the details of how it is to work in the game.
 
IMHO, the technology in CK is not as important and sophysticated as it is in HOI and Vicky. In EU it was even a very simple technological development. At the same time CK is a much earlier period then EU, and moreover, the accent of the game is on Noble Families. As we were able to see from the ONLY screenshot of CK, it will be the legal reforms that are the key "research" in the game.
 
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