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The Fifth Kingdom
What if the Ancient Egyptian Civilization, Culture, and Religion survived and carried on into the 20th Century?
This is the Story of the World's Oldest Empire...

Mod Status: Still in the Private Testing Phase (testers are invited through PM)

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This is a mod to bring my custom Egyptian Empire nation as seen in my AAR, to the rest of the HOI community. I've received a few requests from people asking for a copy. And as truth would be told, I have already been working on a public release even before they started asking. Just as the mod suggests, this is a bit of a minor conversion of the existing vanilla Egypt and replaces it with my "Egyptian Empire". This is Egypt as I imagine it would exist had Cleopatra and Marc Antony won in the battle of Actium.

- "But wait, Cleopatra was a Hellenic ruler, not Egyptian."
Very true, and as I explain in my AAR, she is overthrown by the local population and Pharaonic rule is restored. albeit it is very shaky and tenuous at the start.

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In reality it is very difficult to come up with a convincing and probable history to explain how Egyptian culture, civilization, and religion stay intact for the next two thousand years. Or how the Pharaohs manage to keep control. This is why I am not only presenting the mod as I produce it, but also a detailed history explaining the premise for all of this. Imagine a detailed alt-history similar in scope to Kaiseriech. Only things pretty much happen as they historically do, just, Egypt is there as well. And with time, Egypt will exert her authority and sovereignty across the globe.

As far as "Historical Events" are concerned ingame, I would highly recommend and point out that the adventures that take place in my AAR can basically be taken as "the Historical Outcome" in this alternate WWII. Events will be extensive, and there will be a lot of them. Not only will the player be able to play out events as they happened in my AAR, but they will also be able to choose their own path throughout the game.

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Goals for this mod are as follows:
  1. Create a playable Nation "Egyptian Empire"
  2. Create a rich and full game atmosphere
  3. Create many original and exciting scripted events for Egypt and the other nations of the World
  4. Preserve the game balance, Egypt should not completely tip any scales.
  5. Attempt to create new and original technologies while at the same time not upsetting the game balance.
  6. Keep the game fun!

Comments are welcome and encouraged! I would especially like feedback on the mod's "historical believability". Any suggestions on how to make this more believable and convincing to the player are STRONGLY encouraged!
I will be working to fill in the rest of the sections as I go.

Please be patient! :D
 
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**History Placeholder**

Egypt Timeline

***Roman Period***
2 Sep 31 BC - Battle of Actium
Cleopatra and Marc Antony narrowly defeat Octavian and preserve their dominion over Egypt. Ptolemaic Egypt would later be awarded the territories around the levant, Cyprus, and Libya. However many would not last.​
Aug 30 BC - Battle of Alexandria
Octavian makes a second attempt to crush Marc Antony, only to be defeated in battle and humiliated.​

27 - 5 BC - Egyptian Upheaval - Prolonged Roman Civil War
After Octavian's defeat, his ability to maintain confidence with the senate deterioriated, and he was eventually stripped of power. The void in power lead to further conflict between many political upstarts, with time, the republic could be restored. Ptolemaic Egypt would not be without its problems either, however. The native Egyptians were not exactly content with Hellenic rule and once the conflict with Rome had ended, many revolts would break out, as there was no sign of any change happening in Marc Antony's and Cleopatra's government. Eventually the revolts reached a cresendo and many of Antony's troops deserted and returned to Rome, while still others stayed. Finally on the April of 11 BC, Antony and Cleopatra were disposed and murdered. One of the Egyptian leaders who called himself by the name of Amyrtaeus II (after the first Amyrtaeus who had overthrown Persian Rule 300 years earlier) proclaimed himself Pharaoh and began the extremely difficult task of consolidating power and keeping Egypt united.​

5 BC - 9 AD - Consolidating Power - Second War with Rome
Not all of Marc Antony's officers fled Egypt during the revolts and instead those to work with the new Pharaoh. Amyrtaeus II understood Egypt's lack of a properly trained home-grown army and worked closesly with Antony's Former Officers to train a proper fighting force. It took time but Egypt had eventually raised 10,000 regular troops trained on Roman Fighting doctrine. On the June of 4 AD the Roman Republic would send a small force to attempt to retake the lands stolen by Marc Antony. They would succeed in retaking Libya, Palestine, and Cyprus, but were unable to defeat Amyrtaeus II's legions in battle. The war would be considered a victory by both sides. Rome would claim victory based on their retaking of lost territory, and Egypt would call it a victory based on their preservation of independence.​

***Period of Restoration***
1st & 2nd Century AD - Revival of the Egyptian Priesthood, Nobility & Pharaonic Rule
While Amyrtaeus II would be considered the first Pharaoh of the new "Forth Kingdom", he did not build any great monuments, nor were there any busts or portraits made of him. No one knows what he looked like. The only written accounts of him come from what the Romans knew. It is also widely accepted that he did not manage to create a proper dynasty for himself and was succeeded by one of his native rivals. His successors would however follow his policies and would only focus on consolidating power in Egypt and maintaining sovereignty. With time, Roman fighting tactics would be replaced with improved Egyptian doctrines, and the Roman weapons would be replaced with updated versions of traditional Egyptian weapons. The Roman Gladius would be replaced with the Egyptian Khopesh, Egyptian Cavalry units would return to using improved and updated Chariots (these were ideal for fighting in the desert) and Egyptian officers would be drawn directly from the native nobility. Ethnic Romans and Greeks would continue to live in Egypt, but the high status they once enjoyed would slowly disappear.
That is to say there wasn't civil unrest, however, much of it would come later as the Christians begin to arrive in larger numbers in the 3rd and 4th centuries...​

3rd Century AD - Egyptian Nationalism Takes Root
As the Roman Republic began to crumble, Egyptians themselves began to truly take pride in being Egyptian. With time they would develope a true sense of nationalism, before the word even came to exist. Cities that once bore greek names would finally have thier original Egyptian names returned to them. The most important of which, Heliopolis, would have its name restored to Lunu. And with time, Lunu would return to prominence as the centuries went forward.​

Late 3rd Century - Retaking Lost Lands
Brief wars would be fought with the Romans to take back the lands awarded by Marc Antony, eventually Judea, and Cyprus would fall under Egyptian Control, as would parts of Libya.​

4th Century - Christianity, for better or for worse
While Christianity began taking hold in Rome, Egypt for the most part would be unscathed (there was a small church in Alexandria, but was for the most part left ignored by local Egyptians). It was not until the Egyptian conquest of Judea that they would come in prolonged contact with the new religion. At first there was strong resistance to giving Christians any sort of leeway or acceptance. However, after considering how Rome's cultural infrastructure was collapsing around it, the Pharaoh made the decision to accept these newcomers into Egyptian lands and allow them to keep their beliefs, citing the need for a harmonious society. This same agreement was also made with the Jews in the area. Eventually, over the next few centuries, the Jews and Christians of Egypt would prove to be just as loyal and supportive of the Pharaoh and the Egyptian Nation as any of the Pagan Egyptians. Even more important to point out is the fact that as a result of this policy of acceptance, the Pagan religion would actually grow stronger as a result.​

Early 5th Century - The Egyptian Brand of Christianity
The harmony of many beliefs in Egypt would eventually led to the official acceptance Coptic Christianity in Egypt. The Pharaoh himself while refusing to convert, would in fact allow a small Coptic Church to be built in the general vicinity of the Karnak temple complex, which had been restored from moderate ruin only two hundred years before. There was however a high level of protest from the Pagan priests, but they could do little.
With time, the Church at Karnak would grow to be the center of Coptic Orthodox Christianity.​

---Further Updates to follow---
 
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Well, I'm working on my historical overview right now. What would be better for all of you? A detailed history? Or a simple timeline format that keeps it short and sweet and still explains as much as possible?
 
its a tough call.you know what were the odds of the egyptian empire surviving.let us say for starters that marc anthony won the roman civil war and that didnt affect the roman history much but egypt survived.still you would have to fight off the muslims and christians and no religion other than the old egyptian unless you want to lose the pharaoh which you probably have to since im sure egypt would progress then.so i dont know it depends what you want to have.i can help you on the historical side but you will have to give me some time
 
Well i already KNOW my alt-history, I was just asking what format would be easiest to read. No matter, i've decided on a timeline format.

I'll post it soon, and you all can debate on it from there.
 
Sounds interesting.
I just read through the first part of your AAR and I like it so far.
I will certainly try this mod.
If you are looking for testers, please let me know.
 
Good luck with your mod. If your AAR is impressive, the mod is going to be simply outstanding!
 
Dropping in another reply to say thanks for the support and help. I've just sent up the first 5 centuries of history for you all to check out.

You can expect to see all of the tech teams some time tomorrow. And another historical update sometime after that. I've gotten about 5 new events written which I will post up in a bit. And Some of you (mostly my AAR readers) can start expecting some testing invites.