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Although China has a rich flag culture, it has not developed a national flag or a unique coat of arms representing the royal family. This makes it difficult to embody the flag of China.
So whether it's the vanilla version or the mod, the flag for the Chinese region is simply a single Chinese character, completely different from other regions in the world. Even flags of other world mods like Anbennaer cannot be avoided. The use of flag patterns from Chinese history, not to mention rationality, is mostly based on patterns on alien flags, and the distortion drawn on standard flags may be completely indistinguishable.
So I think we can create some patterns to serve as flags for the regional regimes in China. After all, the patterns of Mongolia are the result of modern creation.
Of course, these patterns are closely related to the Chinese characters representing the country's name.
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This is the flag of the Ming Dynasty, which is widely spread on the Chinese Internet. It is the result of modern creation. Part of it refers to the ancient flag and also considers the name of the Ming Dynasty.
Ming(明), on the left is the sun(日) and on the right is the moon(月). The simultaneous appearance of two of the most important celestial bodies in human eyes in the sky means brightness.
The circle on the left side of this flag represents the sun, yellow is the color often painted for the sun in China, while the curved shape on the right side symbolizes the moon, and white is the color represented for the moon in Chinese painting. The red color on the outside indicates that the attribute of the Ming Dynasty is fire, and also represents radiance. Blue represents the sky.
If this less historical form is acceptable, I will create flags for various Chinese regimes in the same way as the Ming Dynasty flag later on.
 
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I think it's a good idea to suggest possible designs, even if they only become inspiration for the flag artist. A lot of countries on the map have never had a flag at all, so it's better to have something which at least represents the symbols or ideas that a country used
 
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I think it's a good idea to suggest possible designs, even if they only become inspiration for the flag artist. A lot of countries on the map have never had a flag at all, so it's better to have something which at least represents the symbols or ideas that a country used
Yes, many places do not have national flags, but they sometimes have other symbols representing them. For example, the flag of Japan is replaced with noble family motifs.
 
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I didn't expect such a large amount of disagreement. I want to know the reasons why you disagree.
 
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I actually really like that modern interpretation of a Ming Flag, but I think we have to keep player expectations in mind. Most players, especially western ones, have some pre-conceived notion of what a flag should look like and they will react negatively if something doesn't fit that image, even if it's actually a historical flag. Russian Flags are a good example for that.
So I think the people who disagree with you don't want a more expressive and imaginative flag because that's not how it should look like in their mind.
Just for the record, I'm not saying they're right or wrong for thinking that.
 
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My understanding is that the "dynasty name on flag" comes from modern theatre and movies so different sides can be distinguished, so I'm very much in favour of having different flags. For any country that manages to claim the emperorship the colour of their element (randomly assigned unless known) as a background with a dragon on it would at least be an improvement.
 
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I recently had a dream in which someone wished from a djinn that France never existed, which the djinn fulfilled by retconning the entire world history from the Frankish Empire onwards. I don't remember much of that dream, but I remember that in China, imperial rule never ended in that timeline, and that in the 21st century, it was ruled by the fictional Lóng Dynasty, which had a sick teal aesthetic and its flag was a badass white dragon in front of a yellow Sun disc, on a teal base. Although I'm not sure because there were versions with a golden dragon and no Sun disc; it was a dream, afterall.

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I wish I could come up with a reasonable excuse to explain why @Johan and the gang should add these for a cool dynamic alternative China, but I have absolutely 0 historical reasons and sources other than the old and reliable "it was revealed to me in a dream".
However, this means it has about the same amount of basis in reality as the "Sun and Moon" flag you are proposing (absolutely none, but it looks good).

However, speaking of dragons on flags, one banner the Ming Dynasty used (among uncountably many) seems to be a white dragon on an azure field, much like the Qing flag, or the one I saw in my fever dream:

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And an alternative version with blue dragon on red field:
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I recently had a dream in which someone wished from a djinn that France never existed, which the djinn fulfilled by retconning the entire world history from the Frankish Empire onwards. I don't remember much of that dream, but I remember that in China, imperial rule never ended in that timeline, and that in the 21st century, it was ruled by the fictional Lóng Dynasty, which had a sick teal aesthetic and its flag was a badass white dragon in front of a yellow Sun disc, on a teal base. Although I'm not sure because there were versions with a golden dragon and no Sun disc; it was a dream, afterall.


I wish I could come up with a reasonable excuse to explain why @Johan and the gang should add these for a cool dynamic alternative China, but I have absolutely 0 historical reasons and sources other than the old and reliable "it was revealed to me in a dream".
However, this means it has about the same amount of basis in reality as the "Sun and Moon" flag you are proposing (absolutely none, but it looks good).

However, speaking of dragons on flags, one banner the Ming Dynasty used (among uncountably many) seems to be a white dragon on an azure field, much like the Qing flag, or the one I saw in my fever dream:

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And an alternative version with blue dragon on red field:
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I have to say that this dream is indeed very wild. In traditional Chinese culture, there is a preference for colors with high saturation, and this pathological color gives me the feeling of the Sinian Empire after the invasion of Nurgle in medieval warhammers.
Regarding the flags in the ancient painting below, they are military flags and cannot represent the dynasty itself, nor even the emperor himself.
 
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I have to say that this dream is indeed very wild. In traditional Chinese culture, there is a preference for colors with high saturation, and this pathological color gives me the feeling of the Sinian Empire after the invasion of Nurgle in medieval warhammers.
Regarding the flags in the ancient painting below, they are military flags and cannot represent the dynasty itself, nor even the emperor himself.
You've got to admit, it does look great, though.

I would argue that a good teal can be highly saturated, though.

Either, for most of history and for most of the world, in lack of real "flags" and royal/imperial banners, military standards are the second best option. If there is no Imperial flag to use, military standards work perfectly fine instead.
 
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The coastal islamic communities which were slaughtered during the Yuan-Ming transition would be turning in their graves if Ming were to suddenly use this flag. A crescent moon within a star... I mean...
 
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The coastal islamic communities which were slaughtered during the Yuan-Ming transition would be turning in their graves if Ming were to suddenly use this flag. A crescent moon within a star... I mean...
I can hardly imagine that you can associate this with...... I never considered these at all..........
 
The coastal islamic communities which were slaughtered during the Yuan-Ming transition would be turning in their graves if Ming were to suddenly use this flag. A crescent moon within a star... I mean...
The crescent moon and star weren't really associated with Islam during that period so I doubt they'd care that much. The Ming were also noted for a general tolerance towards Islam.
 
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I posted a post using a completely different rule, which is here
 
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The crescent moon and star weren't really associated with Islam during that period so I doubt they'd care that much. The Ming were also noted for a general tolerance towards Islam.

A ton of the foreign merchants were of Persian descent, who very much used the Crescent and Star symbolism in their culture before Islam even. As well as the Turkic people of central Asia, before the Ottomans and Mughals ever became established. Sure, these stars are different from your average Girih or your Seljuk star.


Yeah, they were rather tolerant after most of the islamic communities were slaughtered and after getting the realization that letting their subjects have progroms during the transition meant they were now losing out on a lot of money (and taxes) from trade.