The Flag On High Concept Map-Future Mod

[bean1]

The Flag On High: What If The Axis Won World War II?


A Concept Mod To Be Developed


POD(Point Of Divergence): Moscow Fell in 1941, leading to a peace treaty signed with the remaining Allied countries and the dissolving of the Soviet Union

 

[gianlucad]

Cool!

 

[bean1]

I've been working on this project, and also A World To Win, on and off. I plan to finish A World To Win first, then finish The Flag On High.

Do you like the map?

 

[clone1337]

The map should have some edits:
Here is the official Map of the occupated france: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...3_with_regions_and_departments-occupation.svg
As you see, germany had not only taken Elsass Lothringen, but also a certain zone for colonialism, called north eased line. This Zone would be annexed if vichy gets the north zone after war. Göbbels even thought about the recreation of Burgund. The Area Lille would be owned either by Germany but rather by a German Puppet State "Flandern" Walonnia would be military occupied or a puppet state, but Germany favored Flandern and wanted to exploid former rich walonian ground.
In France's South, Italy would have annex an area from former italien border to toulon, also corsica and tunesia like they clamed.
When UK lost war, Ireland maybe an Ally of Germany having Northern Ireland. UK would be changed into England with free scotland and wales like Hitler wanted. If UK still resists, nothing changed.
Yugoslavia would be handled diffrent as in you map. Yeah Bosnian Independence is "right", but also kroatia ( without all costal provinces ) and serbia ( hard puppeted, without montenegro --> italy, without kosovo --> italy, without mazedonia --> bulgaria. ) Darkest Hour simulates the partition of Yugoslavia very well just ad Bosnia. Northern Greece, Trakia, would be handled over to Bulgaria.
Romania should have a certain strip of former sovjet union with the city of odessa.
Germany directly annexing norway, denmark and possibly even sweden is realistic as it fits with nazi plans.
Swizerland could be partitioned between germany, italy and maybe france.
HUngary would have 100% the state of "ruthenien" or eastern slowakia.
There are some maps in the internet where people tried to show nazi plans for europe after war as plausible as they could. If made also such a map. Can upload it.

 

[bean1]

upload it please.

FYI the UK is independent. It lost the war but was not conquered, as I'm trying to make my mod a realistic "What If" for an Axis victory. The UK simply lost territory that made up some of its colonies, either to Italy or Germany or Japan.

the Idea for Vichy was northern France was put under Vichy control following the peace agreements between the Axis/Allies, as the Germans saw no need to continue the occupation(is that realistic?)

In this Alternate History the German Army managed to successfully besiege and conquer Moscow, leading to the fall of Leningrad and thus the Soviet defensive line in West Russia promptly collapsed. The USSR was dissolved in the peace treaty that came rather early, the war ended way before 1945, possibly by 1943, still working out the plot/history. I see this as the most realistic way that the German's could have won in Russia.

In the Pacific, the Japanese won the battle of the Coral Sea, allowing them to dominate the South Pacific at will. A further series of Allied defeats in the Pacific resulted in a formal peace agreement, with Japan now the master of the Pacific.

wow-the more you learn the more you know I guess.

 

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clone 1337 has right, the only thing i noticed is that hungary should have southern slovakia (upper lands) too. and some say that after the war all of slovakia would be given to hungary, but thats just speculation

 

[bean1]

I have already began working on the actual game map. Japan will get the far east, while Nazi Germany will get the western half of the USSR. the "buffer" will be the Ural Mountains.

I will post the finished map once I'm through with it. the game will take place in 1950, at the turn of the decade following a devastating Allied defeat in WWII

Japan rules almost the entire Pacific at will, while Nazi Germany rules much of Europe. The idea is to have a Man in the high castle style war between Japan an Germany, with America joining in.

 

[clone1337]

http://up.myblackbox.net/a0_rl1w_politische_weltkarte_robinson_0.png
My Map is not perfect, because im a paint noob, but it shows some things:
Focus on Europe: Germany won and directly controls east, maby only until the Wolga, rest could be under direct SS control or also German State. All is clamed, the baltikum and some other areas ( wolga-deutsche ) could be cores du to "germanyfication". In My Version, england lost and is puppeted, but this is disscusable. yugoslavia should be partitited like 1941, but an indepndend bosniak state must be created. Bulgaria is "greater Bulgaria" and should also have the province of Thessaloniki. In my Map Hungary has overtaken Slovakia, like before 1918, but this isnt a great point. Grater Romania and greater Finland because of their involvment in Barbarossa. Scandinavia is a bit difficuilt: 3 Options for it:
Puppeted Denmark and Norway. Annexed Scandinavia, possibly also Sweden like Hitler thought . ( All Arian People in his mind... ) Or Sweden is forced to become an Axis or "Neuropa" member with the territorys of scandinavia.
France is partitioned like in the original plans. Flandern is created, the people of walonia are deported to france and germanyifaction statrs in walonia. Netherlands can be annexed or created as a puppet state.
Africa: The brown thing is a German African Empire like Germany wanted to achieve in WW1 and WW2 but never reached. France ceeps almost all colonys but Marroco is "independed"---> German Puppet and tunesia is given to italy ( not shown in map. ) Southafrica has taken Simbabwe and southern Rhodesia. Ethopia and Lybia are Italien colonies, Sudan can be Italien or puppet. For Arabie i thought about the Axis created an "arabian state" by force and puppet it. Or as you made it. Persia is German friendly. The area around liberia is usa friendly and has been secured by US troops to have a foothold in Africa.
Sovjets: They lost the Europeen part, maybe they broke apaart, then sibirea, greater mongolia, a radical islamistic turkestan could be created. If Beria or someone other took power and holded Sovjet union, they are still not such weak because over 25 million russions would be deported by germany over the ural.
My East Asia bases on an Japan lost to USA. Because Sovjet Union never attacked Japan, the Kwuantung Army didnt gave up after core Japan capitulated. They used PU YI as "new Kaiser of China" and fought for him and with chinese monarchist against nationalists / republicans and mao never reached something in this war, because he didnt get help of the sovjets and the lands of Manschuku. PU YI won the Civil war maybe 1950 and even taken Mongolia because of Sovjet Weaknes. Japan fall apart to revolutionist nothern part with tokia as capital after the two nukes and still under teno hirohito leades south with capital in the old city of Kyōto.
After UK capitulated, India lost the war against the islamic congress, pakistan is much more larger, india much mor radicalised.
But if Japan also won, they puppeted Indonesia, Philippies, Indochina, Malaysia, and India. China is divided to manschuku, menguku, china-naniking and national china. Some "Port citys" and areas are directly controled by japan.
But i do not think that Japan would win or make a tie against the USA, never. Germany would have needed after succesful Barbarrosa 1941 and victory 1942 several years, i think until 1950 to reach plan Z and have a fleet which could beat USA. Until this USA could easyly have taken you Japan because Japans industrial potential an manpower was 1:3 against USA. Or even worse.

In an coldwar between Germany and USA, there can be several states which could be used as "alternative cuba"

 

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This is a very good map showing Europe/ European Russia if there was German victory