The Monetary Peace Negotiation Issue

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I've read in a few threads that one of the things people dislike most is that when they decide to take money instead of provinces during a peace resolution, they only up to the maximum amount of ducats the losing country has. I'd like to discuss the issue further, and see what options may be available.

Here's my idea:

When a peace agreement is finally reached, regardless of who offers peace, one of two things happens:

(1) If the defeated country has the money, then the money is immediately transferred from the losing country to the victorious country.

(2) If the losing country doesn't have the money, then all the money the losing country has is immediately transferred. The balance is treated as a 'loan' from the victorious country to the losing country. The difference would be, the losing country is charged interest at a pre-set rate (say, 5% per annum), this interest is paid monthly. Then, at the beginning of each year, 20% of the income of the defeated country is applied toward the loan amount, thus reducing the interest payments, etc.

An interesting balancing factor could be added in (but doesn't necessarily have to be incorporated) whereby, if the indebted country wins (or is part of an alliance that wins) a war against the creditor country, the 'loan' (war indemnities) is cancelled, and the unpaid amount is eliminated. To balance even further, a country that is indebted to another country should have a permanent Casis Belli for the life-time of the loan.

I advocate this sort of set up mainly for game play. First, there are many times where a country doesn't want to get involved in acquiring territories on the continent (e.g. England) and would much rather rake in the profits of war to improve the Core. Also, this would encourage war for economic profit, and keep the 'vengeance' ratings down... a country that accepts money instead of provinces, permits the defeated country to save face--and some of their provinces.

Finally, this wouldn't over-burden small countries, because they only pay a % of their gross income each year, giving them some operating capital to make it through the payment period....

What do you guys think? And for the history buffs out there, how accurate would this be? In my estimation, realistically, at least for Western Europe's power players (England, France, Spain, and Denmark) not many provinces actually changed hands... it was usually a monetary deal, or a war to force certain action on the part of the other country...

Finally (and on a similar note), I would immensely enjoy expanded diplomacy options... more to come on that if people are interested. (Either way, the changes to diplomacy I would like to see couldn't be implemented in a patch, it would have to be in a sequel...)

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[Dark Knight]

I think this would still make it too easy to exploit other countries (especially small ones) as cash cows by taking their capital and taking a large sum of money in reparations, even if this money will be paid back over a period of time. This would also have a severely debilitating effect on countries that go deeply into debt.

 

[Savant]

Adder - I like the idea but also have come to worry about the 'cash cow' effect. BTW, I'd like to see what suggestions you have for expanded diplomacy options!

 

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Originally posted by Dark Knight
I think this would still make it too easy to exploit other countries (especially small ones) as cash cows by taking their capital and taking a large sum of money in reparations, even if this money will be paid back over a period of time. This would also have a severely debilitating effect on countries that go deeply into debt.

Yeah, I thought about it after I posted, and I agree with you, but what's your take, any other ideas? How about only being able to do the 'loan/indemnity' with major powers? And maybe there'd be a cap on how much you could request.

In that case, you could request as much as you wanted, and if the country HAD the money, you'd get it, otherwise, you'd get what the country has plus a given maximum amount in loans... say 750D or 1000D... for major nations, and 250D or 500D for minor ones?

Otherwise, I'd like to hear other options...

Another option... only allow the loan request to work if you AREN'T the aggressor. That way, major powers won't be able to exploit small countries unless those countries attack?

I'm just tired of negotiating peace when I have no desire for provinces on the Continent. I ask for $$$, and I get 100D, sometimes 250D... early on, most countries need money pretty bad.

I want to hear any ideas you might have, too. I just think it's ridiculous that I waste 'four stars' on 1000D and end up getting (in one case) 7D. At the same time, I don't want the provinces... too much cost to defend them, and too large of a border...

Ideas?

The Black Adder

 

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Originally posted by Savant
Adder - I like the idea but also have come to worry about the 'cash cow' effect. BTW, I'd like to see what suggestions you have for expanded diplomacy options!

Sure, I'll start another thread, though, so this one can stay 'on topic.' I'll put it in the 'General Discussions' forum, instead of the 'FAQ' forum, which is probably inappropriate for even this topic... ah, well.

Black Adder