The New city set and a small issue...

[unmerged(31994)]

Hey everyone

1)Ive been using these new city sets made by Yodamaster for the russian culture and Chinese (the byzantium one wasnt to my tastes as it is still too easternized)

Here are the links, check them out...

http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217001
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210813

2) Theres a culture problem for the ME and NA + Iberia

I dont like the current "moorish" and "arabic" divide, its so "dull" and dosent make sense.

Some people might disagree with me, but moorish dosent suffice to represent Spain and Africa, which are different strands.

What is needed is an andalusi culture for iberia (expandable to all of Iberia except the north) , a berber (maghrebi if you will) for North Africa, and well ,the arabic one too.Id also appreciate it if a "suquli" was made later on for the Sultanate Im working on in North Africa.

Suquli is basicaly sicilian, quite similar to al-Andalus , but with alot of andalusian influence, it could very well reflect Muslim culture in Sicily and Libya.

Edit : Swap maghrebi with bedouin, so that we can put this nomadic culture in Africa AND Arabia.

 

[MattyG]

Calipah,

We have enough cultures available and I for one would happily bow to your superior understanding of the cultures of the region. We can definitely work this in easily to Beta 6.

I had a look at the city sets. Yes, these seems nice additions. If at least one other person agrees and no-one dissents, then we can give them a run and make sure they don't crash the system.

Matty

 

[unmerged(31994)]

Bedouin states not on map : Sinai , Arabia, Southern Arabia except Mascat, Aden and Yemen, Dammam and Qatar, al-kharam.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Yeah, why not bedouin culture, when the ukrainan cossacks also have their own culture.

 

[unmerged(31994)]

I think bedouin is quite suitable to reflect the tuaregs of Africa (by the way Matty, the tuareg provinces in West Africa say Scottish, I think you should alter them to native or something), Arab bedouins in Arabia and the berbers in North Africa.Thats my opinion .

 

[MattyG]

Calipah,

Just send me all of the provinces that need changing and the culture names you want them to change to and I'll get it done!

Matty

 

[Symmetry]

A few questions,

1: Would the expansion of Andalusian culture mean that Cordoba no longer gets access to Iberian?

2: What other changes to the Cordoban initial culures result from this, would they get Andalusi and Arabic? Andalusi and Beduin?

3: What effect if any would convertion to Mutzilite (sp?) Islam have on the growth of the Andalusi?

 

[unmerged(31994)]

A few questions,

1: Would the expansion of Andalusian culture mean that Cordoba no longer gets access to Iberian?

2: What other changes to the Cordoban initial culures result from this, would they get Andalusi and Arabic? Andalusi and Beduin?

3: What effect if any would convertion to Mutzilite (sp?) Islam have on the growth of the Andalusi?

1. Cordoba will still get Iberian (needed to convert the provinces, and it will remain the culture of the Iberians to the North and the rest of Iberia until it is diminished by cultural influence).

2. They will get Andalusi and Arabic , as Arabic is still the main culture for the aristocracy.Bedouin is reserved for the cultures that are basically too nomadic to be considered state cultures.Like in Arabia, parts of North Africa, and central Africa.

3. As for three, heres a draft of the events I sent MattyG, its badly coded, but its simply to build an idea of what i had in mind.


**********************************************************
Cultural Influence in Iberia and North Africa
**********************************************************
event = {
id = ?????
trigger = {
owned = Valencia, Aragon, and Castilla(should be converted to Islam, Shia or Sunni)
}
random = no
country = CRD
name = "Al-Andalus's Influence in the East"
desc = "The refined society from Al-Andalus was a mixture of perfumed ambients, spicy food and a great sensibility for all artistic matters: poetry, music, painting.During Muslim rule of the eastern cities in Iberia, such as Valencia, Zaragoza, and Mostoles, the people were arabized.However , due to the Christian reconquest, coupled by the Inquisition, Andalusian influences receded from the region.Now with Cordoba on the rise again, it was only natural for the people of the region to revert and embrace Andalusian tastes , art, and culture once again."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1492 } *Begins a bit late I guess
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1700 }
action_a ={
name = "Was only a matter of time I guess"

}
event = {
id = ?????
trigger = {
owned = Tago, Algarve, and Badajoz(should be converted to Islam, Shia or Sunni)
}
random = no
country = CRD
name = "Al-Andalus's Influence in the West"
desc = "The refined society from Al-Andalus was a mixture of perfumed ambients, spicy food and a great sensibility for all artistic matters: poetry, music, painting.During Muslim rule of the western cities in Iberia, such as Badajoz, Elvas, and Lisbon, the people were arabized.However , due to the Christian reconquest, coupled by the Inquisition, Andalusian influences receded from the region.Now with Cordoba on the rise again, it was only natural for the people of the region to revert and embrace Andalusian tastes , art, and culture once again."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1492 } *Begins a bit late I guess
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1700 }
action_a ={
name = "Was only a matter of time I guess"
}
event = {
id = ?????
trigger = {
owned = Leon and Oporto (should be converted to Islam, Shia or Sunni)
}
random = no
country = CRD
name = "Al-Andalus's Influence in the North"
desc = "The refined society from Al-Andalus was a mixture of perfumed ambients, spicy food and a great sensibility for all artistic matters: poetry, music, painting.Though Oporto and Leon were strongholds of the Christian Kingdoms in the past, the people's conversion to Islam simply introduced Andalusian culture to the North."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1492 } *Begins a bit late I guess
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1700 }
action_a ={
name = "Was only a matter of time I guess"
command = { type = provinceculture which = ???? value = berber }
command = { type = provinceculture which = ???? value = berber }

}

 

[unmerged(31994)]

Calipah,

Just send me all of the provinces that need changing and the culture names you want them to change to and I'll get it done!

Matty

Bedouin Culture changes

Sinai
Arabia
Dofhar
Masirah
Quatar
Dammam
Tripolitania
Cyrenaica
alkaram

Cultural Set up for North Africa

Tangeirs = Arabic
Tunisia = Arabic
Kabaliya = Arabic
Aures = Berber (Bedouin)
Atlas = Berber (Bedouin)
Orania = Arabic
Fez = Arabic
Tobrukal = Arabic
Sahara = Bedouin
Anti Atlas, Tassert , Medinnan, Azoudh, Noudibh = Bedouin/Native

Cultural Set up for al-Andalus

Toledo, Granada, Gibraltar, Andalucia, Murcia, Belearic islands = andalusi