The Validator and CK2+

[Malorn]

Hey all, I've been having random crashes, fairly frequent. Roughly every 2-3 ingame years. Each time I load and continue onward without issue. This makes me suspect something in the events. That said, I decided to check CK2+ in the validator. I assumed it would get confused and probably wouldn't handle things well. Seeing hundreds of error messages I assumed that the validator just couldn't handle CK2+. Then I started reading, and crosschecking. Problem is, the Validator isn't wrong about some of what it is reporting.

I'm going to give some examples, and hopefully you guys can point out what I, and the Validator, are missing here. Let's start with a consistent error. Things being referenced as "character_event =" when the event ID listed is actually a letter event. This happens quite a few times. It can be easily observed in CK2Plus_faction_civil_wars.txt. The line: "character_event = { id = PlusFaction.418 }" appears, it turns out that PlusFaction.418 is a letter_event, as can be easily observed by examining the event. There are about 60 or so errors of this type. This seems . . . not good. My question is, which one is wrong? Should it be a letter_event or a character_event. Either way it can't be good for the event to have the ID referenced the wrong way.

Or can it? I don't know enough to be sure there isn't some greater genius at work here. Can anyone enlighten me?

Another place "is_title_active = THIS" is used, something that I don't think actually would work. I think is_title_active won't accept THIS, but requires an actual title ID.

I'm seeing a lot of other issues with invalid_node cropping up everywhere. I'm not so sure those are actually errors, of course. But the letter/character event split seems legit error, as does "is_title-active = THIS". Enlightenment would be welcome. :happy:

 

[Rylock]

I use the validator.

Insofar as commands firing events of a different kind (like character_event firing a letter event and so forth), that's technically an error but it doesn't cause an issue. If it did, vanilla would be the primary culprit as it has an entire host of those. Hence why the validator has an option in the settings to simply turn off reports on those errors.

With "is_title_active = THIS", that's a false positive on the validator's part. It works fine.

When it comes to random crashes, it could very well be something in the mod. It could also be vanilla -- vanilla CK2 users also report them. We have no way of knowing, and the few we've tracked down in the past have been otherwise innocuous-seeming things that don't appear to be issues...and certainly don't pop up in the validator. Like I said, I use that all the time anyhow.

 

[Malorn]

I intended no critique, I was just curious about the various interactions and how effective the Validator was. I didn't mean to put anyone on the defensive or imply anything hostile.

I love Ck2plus, I can't really even stand to play the game without it. CK2 has been incredibly crash-happy for me recently, it's entirely possible it is the base-game crashing as far I a would know. Is it actually normal for everyone to crash every 2-3 years of gameplay?

 

[zeress]

I don't get to play much at the moment due to personal reason, so keep that in mind, but I haven't had "in the wild" crash for months now. Only intentional ones to help with testing.

 

[Rylock]

I intended no critique, I was just curious about the various interactions and how effective the Validator was. I didn't mean to put anyone on the defensive or imply anything hostile.

Yep, I get it. The Validator's incredibly useful -- but it's not going to help us track down these crashes, I'm afraid, which could be a coding issue or something entirely out of our control. There's no way to tell with random crashes -- we can only investigate those which are repeatable.

Is it actually normal for everyone to crash every 2-3 years of gameplay?

I've noticed it tends to vary. I'll get a spate of them, and then play for an extended period with no crash at all.

 

[Malorn]

I'd agree with you about that, it does seem to come in spates. I need to start keeping track if it is related to a certain trait or situation. Journal time . . .