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OAM

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Hello, after my horrible run with my previous mod, witch I chalk up do to the many differences in view on its issue, I've deicided to work on another mod witch hopefully will be a bit easier for me to handle, sence we can make this up as we go without the need to worry about offical documents of the timeline to have to follow. We can do anything as long as its plausible.

Here is the basic timeline.

POD: When Russia wants to leave the contenental system, Napoleon allows the majority of Europe to leave, albiet with restrictions. Italy, an exception, remains largely under French control, while Germany falls into French orbit. Hungary is made seperate and is a republic, much upsetting Austria.

1812: (Treaty of Brussles) France and UK sign a peace deal. Iberia is in British sphere of influence.

1812-1847: (The Great Silence) Despite being technicaly free from French influences, the rest of Europe is hesitant to act. The First Empire's might has never failed before.

1848: (Frankfurt Assembly) Under French infuence, the German Confederation merges into a consitutional monarchy under Prussian leadership. Austria and Bavaria are not happy, and Austria supports Bavaria's successful bid to take over small Southern states with tacit French approval. The remaining states merge to from Germany.

1853: (The Crimean War) Russia, being the farthest away, and also the least content with the order in Europe, invades the Ottoman Empire over the issue of authority over the holy land, witch in a recent treaty was granted to France. However, no powers intervine, France had a falling out with the Ottomans over the issue of Egypt. France has a principal of national self-determination that it had gained durring the French Revolution, and as such, backed Egypt in its wars with the Ottoman Empire.

As a result, the Russians, who's numbers made up for their lack of modernization, crushed the Ottomans, whose own army was worse then that of the Russians. In the treaty of Constantanople (1855), the Ottoman Empire was dismantled, with Turkey as a successor state. Romainia, Serbia, Bulgaria, and Albainia were all organized under Russian administration. Russia was granted Constantanople, with the last remaining territory in Europe going to Greece, and a small tract of land on the far bank of the Bosphorus. In addition, Russia gained the rest of Arminena. The state of Jerusalam was created in the Holy Land, under Russian control, but free internaly, where it pursued a government under the French system. The establishment of national states placated the French in self-determination, and the issue was left at that.

1855-1897: (The Second Great Silence) Britain begins colonization of Africa. France competes, but reluctantly due to afore mentioned principalns. Never the less, France snags Algeria, Tunis, Libya, Morroco, and much of West Africa. Germany takes East Africa. Britian takes Egypt (witch France finaly stoped protecting) and South Africa. Britian has little competition in South Asia. Russia takes Mongolia and Tibet in Central Asia. USA and Japan compete for Pacific Islands.

1898: (Great Colonial War) US declares war on Spain over the sinking of the USS Maine. France comes to US aid, for reasons of self-determination for Cuba and the Philipines. Britain and commonwealth come to Spainish aid, hoping to contain the French. Despite the number of fronts, or perhaps because of it, the war quickly turns to a statlemate. Spanish naval power is utterly destoyed. US, France, and UK all suffer heavy naval casulaties. Canadian invasion of New England thwarted. French invasion of Spain slow and steady, due to fear of British invasion.

In the end, not much changes. Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philipines are all granted independance and joint protectorate by all powers. Spain falls out of British sphere of influence.

1898: (First Balkan War) Using the distraction of France, Russia teams up with Austria to carve up Hungary. Russian puppets are expaned to include all of their ethnicity, while Austria gets the rest.

1914: (The Great War) Russia, feeling invincible, attacks the last holdout in the Balkans, the French coastal holdings. This time Russia has gone too far. Germany joins with France as does the two Italian kingdoms, and later Japan, enticed by offers of land in Korea and China with French help. Austria and all the Russian puppets predicably help Russia.

The start of the war sees the coast quickly taken, followed by a hard battle in the mountains with French and Italian troops. Germany holds the line in Prussia, while invading Bohemia. Austria is no match for Germany.

In 1915 Japan joins and quickly sizes Korea and Russian Manchuria. Later that year, Austria would be knocked out of the war. Bohemia is made independant under German influence, and Hungary is freed. Aditionaly, Sloienia is created, but Russian occupied for a time, and at the end of the war, it would be joined by Croatia made from Austrian and French lands.

In 1916, German and French troops break out of Prussia and into the Baltics, making a drive for St. Petersburg. Russians pour tons of troops into the frey, straining factories and pesents alike.

By 1917, Russia was in a desperate situation. Communist revolution (how predicatable x.x) breaks out. Peace is quickly signed. Tibet, Finland, and Mongolia rebel successfuly. The Baltic countries and the Ukraine are created and supported by France. In addition, Russia loses control over puppet regimes. Turkey takes back Constantanople and Arminia. Japan formaly gains Russian Manchuria. Certian Balkan nations are reduced in size.

1917-1922: (Russian Civil War) Red Victory. French were satisfied with simply proping up the new nations and protecting them from Reds.

1925: (Sino-Japanese War) Japan takes the rest of Manchuria and Formosa.

1928: (Second Balkan War) Bulgaria and Greece team up against Serbia.

1936: Game Start

Suggestions welcome. Keep in mind this is not the final timeline. Map comming soon. I have a crappy art version of Europe, but I draw badly. If enough want to see it, I'll post it, otherwise I'll wait till I got the ingame map, witch will take 1-2 weeks.

MAPS!

Europe


Africa


Mid-East and India


China
 
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OAM said:
1898: (Great Colonial War) US declares war on Spain over the sinking of the USS Maine. Britain and commonwealth come to Spainish aid. France comes to US aid.

Not to be a nay-sayer but why would Britain come to the aid of spain? Even if we accept that during the Napoleonic Wars, spain was in Britain's sphere of influence this certainly did not last. Im curious as to why things would be different?

Britain's global obligations across the globe were tied up in a number of areas. I cant really envision what Britain would gain from Spain assuming they could do anything about it even if they were interested in Spanish goings on...

And France aiding the US? Seems unlikely, post war of 'independence' Franco-American relations were anything from aloof to semi-hostile and nowhere near cordial enough to warrant jumping into a fight they have very little to do with.

By the way, I dislike making posts like this because I dont want to seem like Im being a jerk for the sake of bashing someone elses ideas. Please accept these comments as intended- a (hopefully) helpful exploration/analysis of the proposed histroy of your mod. :) All the best.
 
Well, for the saked of how much time I had before dinner, and my ADHD, I did condense it a bit, but I guess I should add a bit more details (was going to anyway as suggestions camed in, so I guess this is what I intended to do) I'll edit this in, but state it here so you can find it easily.

France-US, basicly its the whole anti-colonialism thing US has going, and while France is a colonial power, it is basicly to prevent the UK from getting too strong.

UK-Spain, UK is very commited to containing France, imagin UK French reltations as the cold war.

Factor this in with lack of any major wars for awhile, least of all over colonies, and you get a war that no one really wants.

Oh, and I forogot to add, the title refers to Napoleon's defeat by Russia in 1812.
 
There was already a mod of that kind than have a storyline in wich Napoleonic France survived, maybe you can dig out to find it and eventually use the stuff they made.
 
BTW, to get the borders set up fast I'm considering making the eug by converting a saved game from vicky with all the nesisary border changes (via events). That would significantly speed up the redrawing of the map, as only a few provinces would need to be changed. It might not work right when I make the eug a scenario file instead of a save, but atleast I can show you guys the map pretty soon.

Edit: Maps up, temp map removed.
 
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OAM said:
I'm going to start writing some country descriptions, who do you want to hear about first?

Jerusalem, please.
 
Demoking said:
Jerusalem, please.

NOTE: I'll put these in the file as I write them here.

Jerusalem: (Do you guys think this is a good name, I'm quite frankly a little short on ideas for this country, though I want to make it interesting and have a major role. Its a country no other mod has pretty much and I don't want it to just sit there. The ideas I do have are pretty sterotypical too x.x)

Created in 1855 out of the Holy Land and surrounding areas that were Ottoman, its early existance was plauged with minorities, or in some cases, majorities, rioting in the streets against 'illigetimate rule'. However, by 1900, reforms and a strick democratic policy has led to a more stable country. The Russian defeat in 1917 was a big boost to Jerusalem. Internal affairs were always under home control, but now Jerusalem would have a chance at foreign affairs. Nearly twenty years later, Jerusalem stands a rich modern democracy with a trade based economy. However, the new government has inadvertently let racial and religious tensions flare up again. The future is uncertain. Will Jerusalem continue to prosper from its unique geographic location, or is the end near?
 
Gigalocus said:
Looks interesting, now do Britain desc!

The United Kingdom has had a somewhat singular goal for the past 120 years or so. Contain the French Empire. After the failure to 'liberate' all of Europe in the early 1800's, Britain turned to a policy of encirclement. Claiming colonies in Africa and Asia, Britain continued to maintain a lead over France for some time. However the turbulent entry into the 20th century in The Great Colonial War gave Britain a wake up call. Most of the world's colonies were already claimed, and France and other forces were no longer content to sit by. Liberal democracy was starting to talk of freeing the 'opressed peoples' of British colonies. Colonials themselves wished to join the better conditions the French allowed. Something had to be done. For the next 30 years Britain would isolate itself until the time was right, but right for what?
 
Looks intresting.
 
Interesting mod. Couple questions...

What's that orange thing in British India?

What's that nation in the Western part of the Middle East?

Sorry, I'm not good with paying attention to long things. Cool mod.
 
FallenMorgan said:
Interesting mod. Couple questions...

What's that orange thing in British India?

What's that nation in the Western part of the Middle East?

Sorry, I'm not good with paying attention to long things. Cool mod.

The Orange is going to be native Indians, I'm not quite sure on its borders yet, and it'll mainly be there for flavor.

The other is none other then Jerusalem...
 
Jerusalem itself is hard to beleive in, but thats still within the borders of possible. But Jerusalem controling Medina and Mecca??? :rolleyes:

Think about it. A new Jerusalem state would want to seek peace with the natives and the neighbording countries. Holding the 3 holy cities of Islam would lead to a more determinated Jihad than never before from all the muslim population of the Middle East.



You must seriously think to all thoses details when making a mod.
 
What've you thought of for an alternate World War? Every mod needs one! Seriously, it's vital that every conversion mod has a bigass war!
 
Jerusalem is actualy just a temporary name if need be. I didn't want to call it Israel (that would be even worse). Though I've tried to make its backstory plausible for a democracy of equality, its all still up in the air. Muslems are equal in that state, though I don't know if it would be enough (so hence the tension in the early years, but thats clique so I want something in addition). By all means, if you have an idea, suggest it. If you'd like me to write out my detailed analysis of it to help with it, just ask.

As for the WWII, it will probably be two seperate wars, though equaly grand. USSR trying to regain former Russian Empire and UK taking advantage of the situation by finaly beating France.

Edit: For the quick fix would you prefer I just give that coast to Saudia Arabia, it really was just a placeholder when I set up those for the maps.
 
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