Tips for playing Guiyi in 867?

[icedt729]

Since it looks like Guiyi as we've known it is going to get completely reworked in All Under Heaven, I've decided to do a farewell campaign in the area. It's the first time I've played Guiyi in years and... yikes. These guys are really not set up for success.

Your realm is nothing special, and wedged in a corner between Tibetan tribals and the bigger, usually stronger Qocho kingdom. You have a titular kingdom, so all your vassals have "not de jure liege" penalties to opinion, taxes, and levies. Most of them also hate you for wrong culture and wrong religion. Even the handful of counties in your demesne have wrong religion penalties, since you're a Zhengyi Taoist ruling exclusively over Mahayana Buddhists. De jure drift doesn't seem to happen (I don't know why) and it seems difficult just to hold the realm together, much less to do anything interesting with it.

Has anyone here found a good early strategy for these guys?

 

[klopkr]

I really liked playing Guiyi.

My opening moves were always to hope Qocho doesn't attack and to bait them into the desert if they do and then as soon as possible revoke all my vassals and start with a fresh slate.

 

[icedt729]

I really liked playing Guiyi.

My opening moves were always to hope Qocho doesn't attack and to bait them into the desert if they do and then as soon as possible revoke all my vassals and start with a fresh slate.

Good plan for Qocho- but unfortunately Han culture doesn't start with the technology to unlock Limited Crown Authority(!!!) so it looks like it would take two or three generations just to be able to revoke my lousy vassals.

 

[klopkr]

Good plan for Qocho- but unfortunately Han culture doesn't start with the technology to unlock Limited Crown Authority(!!!) so it looks like it would take two or three generations just to be able to revoke my lousy vassals.

If I remember correctly you have a couple of loose counts under you. I just made one big strong vassal to help me keep the others in line. Also conquer fast and early, new lands are a great way to satisfy jerk vassals.

 

[Greifental]

De jure drift doesn't seem to happen (I don't know why)

There is no drift to titular titles in CK 3. Drift needs an adjacent de jure territory but titular titles don't have one, so a drift can never start.

 

[raistlin_wizard]

There is no drift to titular titles in CK 3. Drift needs an adjacent de jure territory but titular titles don't have one, so a drift can never start.

That sounds like a bug. Maybe it's just an oversight, but it should be fixed.

 

[kifo]

There is an administrative mod for Guiyi that makes it more playable I remember.

 

[Zylathas]

There is no drift to titular titles in CK 3. Drift needs an adjacent de jure territory but titular titles don't have one, so a drift can never start.

Can't you force drift through the steward? I never use the drift mechanics myself, don't really like em from a history perspective. So I wouldn't know.

 

[Greifental]

Can't you force drift through the steward? I never use the drift mechanics myself, don't really like em from a history perspective. So I wouldn't know.

The chancellor's task only accelerates an existing drift.

The steward can "steal" a country from another ruler if it's de jure yours. Nothing to do with drift.

 

[cavveman]

There is no drift to titular titles in CK 3. Drift needs an adjacent de jure territory but titular titles don't have one, so a drift can never start.

Would it not be in theory possible with legitimizing legend?

 

[Greifental]

I don't know. I have not played with legends that much.

 

[raistlin_wizard]

Would it not be in theory possible with legitimizing legend?

I think it may be, yeah. But it shouldn't be necessary.

 

[klopkr]

There is no drift to titular titles in CK 3. Drift needs an adjacent de jure territory but titular titles don't have one, so a drift can never start.

Well I don't know if this is 'drift' or not but you can get de jure territory for a titular title through the legends mechanic.
I watched a Do it for Bruce video where he used this to give the kingdom of fashion de jure land.

 

[Benismann]

That sounds like a bug. Maybe it's just an oversight, but it should be fixed.

That's def not a "bug", and considering this is still the case after 5 years of development - im confident in saying that it's an intended behaviour, even though i think it would be really cool to see a kingdom for like that.

 

[TeitokuKai]

You can in fact use a tier 2 (not 3) legitimizing legend to make the titular title a proper title by incorporating any duchy. The Guiyi title notably doesn't have a de jure empire title above it and will result in creating holes in the de jure empires map overlay.

 

[raistlin_wizard]

That's def not a "bug", and considering this is still the case after 5 years of development - im confident in saying that it's an intended behaviour, even though i think it would be really cool to see a kingdom for like that.

I'm not sure if it's intended behaviour or an oversight. In any case I don't see any gameplay reasons why it shouldn't be changed.

 

[Alpharius001]

Until Guiyi gets reworked I would suggest using the RICE mod that adds a lot of flavour to Guiyi and makes the title an ordinary title with de jure duchies.

 

[Benismann]

I'm not sure if it's intended behaviour or an oversight.

Sure, it might be. However I doubt no one reported it since it has been the case since 1.0 and kirghiz khanate, im pretty sure, existed since 1.0 too, and is a prime example of titular title which never unbecomes titular.
But you're welcome to bugreport that, maybe no one did it indeed.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

I had a pretty good run with Guiyi. I originally picked them thinking that Han would be Bureaucratic, but whaddaya know, it isn't. So I saved up prestige until I could diverge culture from Han to (Bureaucratic) Guiyi, and then saved up resources until I could switch the kingdom to administrative. A lot of vassals didn't want to switch, but from there I was free to hold all the cities in my counties and free to expand with admin expansion CBs, and it was just a short journey from that to steamrolling everything and establishing a new Guiyi Empire centered in Khotan.

Han is the only culture that can get crossbow captain accolades in 867, and accolade bonuses to MAA size apply to admin title MAA, so you can field a very big force of very powerful chu-ko-nu.

 

[Bisonmask]

That sounds like a bug. Maybe it's just an oversight, but it should be fixed.

Can't imagine it's either given how long it's been in the game, you also can't use the chancellor mission to shift a title to dejure under a titular one

You also might be able to use the Status Quo ending of the Iberian struggle for it but I doubt you'd be able to snake dejure all the way west then east that fast. Might be a fun challenge run

I'd love to see a dev comment on this though