Too strong french?

[Zeronig]

Im playing as germany and started attack to france at april 1940. first i were surprised how much org my division lost after every battle. I was shocked because taking belgium took about 1,5 month, i was losing battles like: 30 german division (6 were armored) against 25 french divisions (2 armored divisions). i have good leaders and all doctrines and divisions upgraded, cant use luftwaffe because there is 10 AA level in every belgium provinse (but usually its not big problem).

Historically france fell in few month's, French got as much troops as germany.
In my game france is outnumbered by my troops, in every battle i got much better organisation but still i keep losing so badly. if i win battle my troops are so disorganised it takes many days to recover enought to attack again. Difficulty levels are all normal.
I really cant call this mod very historical or realistic.

 

[dEGRYSIN]

Im playing as germany and started attack to france at april 1940. first i were surprised how much org my division lost after every battle. I was shocked because taking belgium took about 1,5 month, i was losing battles like: 30 german division (6 were armored) against 25 french divisions (2 armored divisions). i have good leaders and all doctrines and divisions upgraded, cant use luftwaffe because there is 10 AA level in every belgium provinse (but usually its not big problem).

Historically france fell in few month's, French got as much troops as germany.
In my game france is outnumbered by my troops, in every battle i got much better organisation but still i keep losing so badly. if i win battle my troops are so disorganised it takes many days to recover enought to attack again. Difficulty levels are all normal.
I really cant call this mod very historical or realistic.

Try to increase speed of your attack- group most of Your forces next to border, attack Belgium & try heading fast towards Paris. At the moment of declaring war upon Belgium French armies should be somewhere @ Maginot Line. I'm surprised with your problems- there was no difficult to conquer France at vh dif.lev.

 

[unmerged(45283)]

Are you using HQs and attacking from multiple directions? Weather is important as well.

 

[Zeronig]

i got 4 HQ's in France, commanded by Field Marshals and generals. Still my organisation losses after every smallest battle is so big that i cant reach Paris fast. i got more tanks and more divisions, doesn't sound like blitzkrieg. But still best germans can do and that's poor. If i have troubles with france there aint any change to beat Soviets. I dont want easy game, i just want more realistic.

 

[mrsund]

You are doing something very wrong or have to high difficultylevel.
Its shouldnt be that hard, with the right mix of Divisions and a good Strategy.

You have to make fast breaktrough and run trough Belgium to Paris before French units reinforce the line.


Do you hold down the Shiftkey when you attack trough multiple provinces?

Please tell us more about your strategy and what your units are?

 

[Bhaal]

what does holding down the shift key do?

 

[unmerged(49273)]

I have the same problem, in difficulty "normal", with HQs and air forces ready, after the annexion of Poland I tried ALSO to surprise French with an attack early, but they move their divisions in Belgium territories so fast that I cannot win without huge loss of men. Netherlands is easy and it's ok, but Belgium it's well guarded by French and English armies.
To give and idea I have about 15 armored divisions, 6 motorized and over 25 infantry and 3 HQs, in fact I left the Russian front with 6 divisions. And a air cap with tactical bombers, stukas, fighters, interceptors and escort fighters.
My strategy is to attack always when there aren't rivers or bunkers, first I unleash luftwaffe at full strengh, so armored division and motorized and so infantry, always concentrated on 1 or max 2 provices.
I think it's okay, don't you think so?

 

[mrsund]

OK

First of all, holding the shift down when selecting provinces to attack makes the units go trough the provs without stopping to regain org.

Try to make armies that consists of 2Panzers an one Motinf, then you will get a combinedarms bonus.
(Try to have about 15-20 armoured divs)
The HQ you can deploy with 5infdiv and a general commanding it for leaderbonus. dont put HQ with armour cause it will only slow them down.
Dont DOW Holland, wait for that, it will only hold troops that you need elsewhere.

So collected your armdivisions close to belgium when the time comes to attack choose on and hold down the shift key and make a path to paris, take the next panzerarmy and make it stop the closest prov to paris and so on with all your Panzerarmys so the cover the flank.
then fill up with infantry. you may need to build more infantry 25 seems low.

When you taken Paris and the Infantry are on its way, make another attack to cut off the maginot and one to cut off the english channel. take and hold victoryprovs.
Then destroy the pockets one by one, but not the maginot wait for theirs supply to run out.

Its very important that you dont attack a prov with many french troops, if you do that you will loose manpower and time (the war).

Make brigades with speedbonuses, HD,SS, change Chiefinstaff that have speedbonus, have you researched the right doctrines?

Dont spend to much IC building Fighters and Tacticals, its not worth it.
Concentrate on the groundcombat.

Dont attack until historical time, take the lessons from poland as the Heer did and reinforce your army.

 

[unmerged(49273)]

Thank you. So I have a question: have the air forces a minimal importance? So am I supposed to cover the sky with interceptors and some stuka and stop?
I playd lots of campaigns, but not with this mod, so i think could be a difference, because I have never had difficulty to defeat France before.

 

[mrsund]

For me the airforce is of minor importance because Im not a skillfull player, I only play on Normal, on harder levels I belive you need it.

And I think ´the stony HSR is more difficult and more fun but not so difficult you couldnt beat france.

The enemys airforce dont function properly in HOI2 (Paradoxbug) so you have to reload the game every month to make the AI do airmissions.

http://www.stonyroad.de/

Your very welcome to stop by at stonroad and look for better answers.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

The problem is not the tactics used or the units used necessarily. I have the same issue myself. I can trace it back to the fact that I can attack with 30 divisions against only 3 french divisions, and next thing I know 60+ french divisions move from the maginot line to the border with belgium and stop me dead in my tracks.

Still running through the data files trying to figure out how that is possible.

 

[unmerged(49273)]

I tried to use shift key as suggested and it works! In normal mode I beated France in time to invade Greece etc and now, in autumn 1942 I'm at the gates of Urals, conquered Moscow, Batu, and Stalingrad under siege.

The other problem is the lack of manpower, I had only 3 battles lost and there aren't more men to send to war! I think it is impossible, in fact in 1945 the Wermacht was of 10 millions people after bloody battles in all Europe!
I researched all the agricultural techs in time and I have the suggested men al internal minister. I think the mod needs more manpower at start for Germany...

 

[mrsund]

Glad to hear about the shiftkey, I didnt know what blitzkrieg was before that

Manpower in stonyroad has always been a B..., but thats the meaning Germany had manpowerproblems. And its to hard for me to.

@DarkSoul1984

You have to run away from the the french and surrender them, if your stop or are forced stop they take you to trenchwarefare and drain your manpower.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

Glad to hear about the shiftkey, I didnt know what blitzkrieg was before that

Manpower in stonyroad has always been a B..., but thats the meaning Germany had manpowerproblems. And its to hard for me to.

@DarkSoul1984

You have to run away from the the french and surrender them, if your stop or are forced stop they take you to trenchwarefare and drain your manpower.

I do the shiftkey and it works maybe 30% of the time.

My biggest issue is that the troop movement rate for the French is insane. They can move three territories in the span of a few hours it looks like....

 

[mrsund]

Then your path (red line) to Paris is to close to their reinforcement, try make another one more, to the west.

When you have breaktrough your german forces cannot lose, if the do there must be another detail we missed.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

Then your path (red line) to Paris is to close to their reinforcement, try make another one more, to the west.

When you have breaktrough your german forces cannot lose, if the do there must be another detail we missed.

I don't even get a breakthrough. I get stopped on the initial push.

 

[Syppo]

I took on poland and france at the same time. Got vichy event by october 1939. It sounds to me that you have to few divisions, I hade about 160 divisions at the begining of the war. That was enough for both poland and france.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

I have 5 groups of 3 armoured and about 80 infantry to back those up for the initial push alone.

I just get halted by the fact that within less than a day about 40 divisions arrive in the one province I am trying to achieve my breakthrough. Some of them even come from the UK.......

 

[mrsund]

Mix the armoured with Mechs or Mot Inf.
Do you concentrate you breaktrough at one province? what province is it and where do you go next?

 

[unmerged(30953)]

My biggest issue is that the troop movement rate for the French is insane. They can move three territories in the span of a few hours it looks like....

Exactly. This, combined with heavy river penalties, makes it nearly impossible to make a breaktrough. It' like the French can beam themselves from one provice to another. :wacko: