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Well I started playing EU2 fairly recently and I got bogged down in a war that completely drained my treasury and I was forced to give away quite a bit of land and money...

It was Me(Denmark), Sweden, Norway, and Oldenburg vs. Muscovy(I had some colonies up near them, so I had to fight them off there as well as down in Denmark), Bremen, Mecklenberg, Pomerania, Hannover, and Cleves. Later in the war rebels were springing up as well, so needless to say I was in very bad shape...


So, what are the most costly/biggest wars you have been in?
 
Just recently, when I was playing as Savoy, I managed to be in wars with France (formed from Burgundy), Dauphine, England, and Milan at the same time. I'd already taken a few provinces of southeastern France, but there was no way I could keep up with all of them. They destroyed most of my armies and took Provence, Piemonte, and Lyonnais, looted Languedoc and Dauphine (crippling my economy), and were besieging my capital. I had just managed to raise 6000 infantry to besiege Lyonnais but didn't have much hope that they would take it before my capital fell. I'd peaced out with Dauphine by giving them a province, but I couldn't hold on much longer. None of my enemies would even think of accepting any offer short of two provinces.

Then an amazing thing happened.

Burgundy had formed France, remember? Well, apparently while King Charles VII le Teméraire was besieging my capital, he was killed in a skirmish. He left no male heirs.

France fell immediately to pieces; they lost some territory and were inherited by the Dauphin, who became king of France. Since the old France was no more, my lost provinces were returned; then Milan, tiring of the war and seeing no gains, accepted a mere 25d for peace. England peaced out for cash shortly thereafter.

I lost a total of one province. But it took years to recover; I didn't even reach land tech 9 until the 1580's. There were other wars, but most of them were fought on my terms and ended successfully; I ended up with all of France and Italy (minus Spanish Naples and Sicily) by the mid-1600's.
 
My last game as Brandenburg. I was happily conquering Germany when Saxony declared war on Baden and this happened:

Code:
name = "June 21, 1582 : Saxony declared war upon Baden." 
name = "June 21, 1582 : Münster joined the war on the same side as Saxony in their war against Baden." 
name = "June 21, 1582 : Kleves joined the war on the same side as Saxony and Münster in their war against Baden." 
name = "June 21, 1582 : Prussia joined the war on the same side as Saxony, Münster and Kleves in their war against Baden." 
name = "June 21, 1582 : Spain joined the war on the same side as Baden in their war against Saxony, Münster, Kleves and " 
name = "Prussia." 
name = "June 21, 1582 : Poland joined the war on the same side as Spain and Baden in their war against Saxony, Münster, " 
name = "Kleves and Prussia." 
name = "June 21, 1582 : Savoy joined the war on the same side as Spain, Baden and Poland in their war against Saxony, " 
name = "Münster, Kleves and Prussia." 
name = "June 24, 1582 : Brandenburg joined the war on the same side as Saxony, Münster, Kleves and Prussia in their war " 
name = "against Spain, Baden, Poland and Savoy."

It hate it when my allies do stupid things :mad:

This is how it looked in 1587

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It's 1582 so Spain and Poland were pretty big. The Spanish kept landing huge armies in my coastal provinces. I had no navy to stop them. At one time they had conquered 4 of my provinces and I was about to give up. Then I marched an army to the north, besieged and assaulted the provinces they had captured and within a couple of months they were mine again. I was sooooo happy. But the Spanish kept landing troops. One time they landed with too few troops and his troops kept bouncing between 2 provinces (when you besiege a province with too few troops they stop the siege and retreat to another province). I get a pop up whenever one of my provinces is besieged, so this was really annoying.

In the mean time Poland was conquering Prussia and besieging my eastern provinces. Baden and Savoy were coming from the south and my allies were doing almost nothing.

I slowly destroyed most of their armies and conquered some provinces. It took me more than 10 years, but finally in 1593:

Code:
name = "July 3, 1593 : Poland accepted our generous peace offer."

I got 1 province from Poland. I don't know if I made a seperate peace with the other countries. This was the biggest and longest war I ever had.
 
I fought a war as Portugal versus Spain, France and the Ottoman Empire in a MP campaign some time ago. Toughest war ever. I was attacked by their combined fleet, which I, after initial defeat, managed to beat. That way I could store my ~120k army on the ships while the French-Spanish tried to take over my provinces.

The DoW came in 1556, and I had conquered much of Morocco and the gold of pagan West Africa, including Timbuktu. The French had attacked me some decades earlier, trying to take that gold away, but had been thwarted. Now they had swayed Spain against me and dowed, but I had been able to get to and past LT26, and thus had Mighty forts in the four Portuguese provinces (we were playing WatK). Once naval superiority was secured, and most of the enemies' ships sunk (my naval tech was far superior as well; I was the second richest nation in the world prior to the DoW, and by far the fastest techer), I could reinforce my army from Rabat, my Moroccan stronghold, and keep it in shape.

The initial attack from the coalition was around 1200 galleys with 200k troops from France and Ottomans and 140 Spanish galleys and about 70k troops. I had a navy of 530 warships and a standing army of about 110k, but quickly built up another 50k, which was all my manpower would allow at that time. Ships I could build at quite a pace however, with four Shipyards. I also had a 44k in Africa, to defend against colonial attacks from the French there.

The Ottomans WPed me shortly after their navy had been defeated, leaving me with Spain and France to deal with. But my Mighty forts were too hard for them to assault. They had much superior manpower, but could not capture my provinces. And time was on my side, as Brandenburg and Austria were only waiting for their NAPs to end, and would attack France in the back once the time came.

It came down to large Franco-Spanish armies trying to siege my provinces, and my ships sailing back and forth to chase away these armies, again and again. I could not go on the offensive, due to attrition and my poor manpower. I could not afford to lose any men, because I could not reinforce them. After about 11 years of this desperate defence, and including a thwarted French comeback on the seas, Brandenburg and Austria finally attacked, and France had to draw back their forces to fight the two off.

It should be mentioned that France had dominated the game since start, and had large holdings in Italy, had Venice vassalized (Holland too at a point) and were the clearly strongest military nation.

When French troops pulled back, the pressure naturally decreased on Portugal. Now I had the chance to beat Spain, and decided to demand Andalusia. The Spanish were stiff-necked though, and refused. And to stop me from force-peacing for that province, they asked France to place a 50k army there to stop me from attacking. Together with Spanish defenders, this made an attack on that province very expensive in terms of men, and I didn't have many. War Exhaustion was huge as well, since I had built my full manpower many times already. But Spain had not reached LT26, and they had mostly Minimal forts, so I sailed around with my navy and assaulted all their coastal provinces, quickly robbing them of manpower. Then I attacked and took their capital, and stabhitted them to -3 at which point I force-peaced them for 5 provinces. They still refused to only give me Andalusia (which I would have preferred to the 5).

This is how it looked after 10 years of war:

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These 5 gave me a land border with France, and with all the battle warscore from the earlier parts of the war, I now launched an invasion from the south on France, occupying Gascogne, which had a Shipyard and a Large fort, and stahitted for it. The French, knowing they wouldn't fare well with many stabhits, accepted it. And then there was peace...

I later attacked Spain again, now with France NAPped, and took Andalusia. This led to the Spanish player resigning and come the 18th Century I had annexed them completely.

For the interested, stats can be found here.
 
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The initial attack from the coalition was around 1200 galleys with 200k troops from France and Ottomans and 140 Spanish galleys and about 70k troops. I had a navy of 530 warships and a standing army of about 110k, but quickly built up another 50k, which was all my manpower would allow at that time. Ships I could build at quite a pace however, with four Shipyards. I also had a 44k in Africa, to defend against colonial attacks from the French there.
Is this normal in MP? :eek: Now I see why mighty fortresses are usefull :D

Do you have cores on all capital provinces? Why?
 
Well, when Nelson and Aladar declared war on my mighty spain in the latest watk game and landed 1 million men in iberia cutting through my mighty/maximum forts like butter while 3000 ships were posted outside my ports.

Attrition and massive counter-attacks followed but there was no way I could handle that properly after the inital mighty blow. Ended up as a vassal of the Ottoman Empire. Feh!
 
Out of the wars I actually fought through as opposed to quiting and starting again (as in many byzantine v ottoman situations), I would have to say the series of the wars I found myself in towards the end of my Franconia game. Due to my high badboy (20+) and poor relations with everybody, I kept finding myself under attack from numerous alliances. By the time I defeated one alliance the peace had worn off with another alliance and they declared war again. For 30 years it went on with near constant war against the like of France, Austria, Spain, Papal State, England, Poland, Sweden (all the big boys). The results of it all was three states rebelling and declaring independence, but I did manage to force-vassalise France, Austria, the Pope and Poland.
 
I am playing through a game as Brandenburg using the German unification events in AGC-EEP. I cannot imagine a worse possible war at the moment. After Augsburg fired in 1505, I have Brandenburg, Magdeburg, Kursten, Hinterpommerran, Hannover and Bremen.

Oldenberg and Holstein agreed to assimilate into the empire.

I have vassals in Saxony, Mainz, The Palatinate, and Kleves. They will not be fighting as I do not trust them to hold to the alliance after the relations hits I suffered via event.

Bavaria refused the Empire thus creating war one; Germany vs. Bavaria, Austria, Switzerland and Bohemia.

Baden refused; war two, Germany vs. Baden, Wittenburg, Berg (all three refused, but because of the event this war is listed in my screen three times).

Pomerania refused; war three, Germany vs. Pomerania, Denmark, Sweden, Livonia Order

Savoy refused; war four, Germany vs. Savoy, Spain, Milan, Naples, England

Lorraine refused; war five, Germany vs. Lorraine, France, Genoa, Papal States.

The initial stages played out alright and I think I have things stablized. The big problem was that I started out with only two 25K man armies, granted one was lead by a capable (3/3/5/2) general.

I annexed Berg and then force vassalized Wittenburg and Baden within 9 months thanks to minimal forts and assaults. Pommerania's 55K man initial army is now down to a manageable 25K thanks to attrition. Denmark and Sweden are being held in check for the moment thanks to a lack of AI initiative.

Elsewhere, apparently the AI is happy landing 2K-5K armies one at a time in Bremen allowing me to rack up quite the warscore. My only real concern is Austria and Bohemia launching an attack. They are tied up with Hungary and Poland at the moment.
 
In my game as Muscovy I decided to take the Steppes before I turn west, so I promptly built an army made entirely out of calvary and steamrolled over Golden Horde and Crimea, then Uzbek and afterwards Kahka (sp?) Mongols. Now there are two thing to note here: 1: I'm playing Mymap so now I have a border with China in 1470, and 2: Years of war means no cash in treasury, HUGE empire due to annexation of Mongols and 3: I am now at 40 or so badboy. So, as you can figure out, Lithuania declares war, Poland and Hungary (!) join in and almost instantly start besieging my badly secured western provinces. A month later China joins the fun making me fight on two fronts, and soon the third front opens up on Northwest due to Sweden badly wanting Ingermanland. Lucky for me, the winter comes every year and decimates Lithuanian and Swedish/Danish forces, as I swoop in every now and then to kick them out of my country, but on the East China has some 70k troops and all of my newly aquired Mongol provinces have no fortress... As they fell easily I decided to barricade my troops further West on plains and preferably where Chinese will have to cross rivers to get. This works, but still the war is on standstill due to my best provinces being constantly attacked. Finally after ten or so years my calvary manages to break Lithuania and I actually win Kursk and several other provinces along the border, sign white peace with Sweden and make a sweep to the West. After freeing my provinces from China I had a + 50 or so warscore just from their reckless attacks over rivers with few or no calvary against up to 20k cav only armies.
 
Is this normal in MP? :eek: Now I see why mighty fortresses are usefull :D
Perfectly normal, aye. :)

That sounds absolutely bloody marvelous...Brilliant! Helped me remember some of the rushes Ive had a long time ago with this game (in MP). Thankyou!
Why not relive the rushes again in person? There are several MP games going on in the MP section. Or start a new one.
 
I can remember some really toughest wars thru all these years of Grand Campaign happened from 1450 to 1480. The most fierce fights were with German States, when everyone in Central and Eastern Europe was eager to send their forces to protect them. To my luck Burgundy (which was the strongest power in the West at that time) didn't interfere untill it was too late for them. Well some hard fights happened with Delhi forcin' them to leave territory to the West of Ind river after rippin' of Beludjistan. The end of Austria was a hard task as well meanin' that we had no generals at all and movin' canons thru the Alps isn't that simple task durin' the winter times. And of course some serious sea-fights had happened with 60 of Britain ships tryin' to fail our Invasion of British Isles.
Anyway in 1539 we have still 2 strong powers in Europe: Venice with 100 thousands and 50 ships and France (still devided between vassals) with 120 thousands in Paris under command of Gis.
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