Trading territory; returning provinces to people

[adam_grif]

These things have been discussed previously in different threads on different forums. Firstly, there is the ability to trade territory, rather than just selling provinces. This may be a player-only feature if it's too hard to get working with AI, but the general idea is to be able to have mutual territorial concessions, either as part of a war deal or in peacetime with exchange of money. I often sell provinces to people for 0 ducats, so this makes selling masses of territory more convenient. It also makes it possible to buy a province you want that the AI or another player considers not very valuable for something they might consider valuable. I'm not sure if this has any kind of historical basis for the period, but it's something I'd like the ability to do, as a player.

The second thing is the ability to "liberate" provinces as in Vicky 2 - returning them to somebody with cores on them. Somebody who might be in the war, or might not. Generally, if you've sieged a province, then only you can take it in a peace deal. Deliberately not sieging provinces so my vassals can reclaim some cores is inconvenient, I'd rather just be able to give it to them straight away. I can just take the territory directly, but then I have to sell them, one at a time, which is a bit tedious.

 

[mudcrabmerchant]

I'd also like a relationship bonus for gifted territory. In EUIII, you can quadruple the size of a country with gifted land, and it would have no effect on their opinion of you.

And I strongly, strongly second the liberate peace option. I hated it when a nation I wanted to release in its entirety revolted away as an OPM, making an entire war pointless.

 

[unmerged(445219)]

For historical purposes, selling colonies would definitely be an option. When a colony costs too much to maintain, or the host country needs immediate funds, a sale could be made like the Louisiana Purchase, Alaksan or Gadsden Purchase. Towards the end of the time period though.

 

[adam_grif]

For historical purposes, selling colonies would definitely be an option. When a colony costs too much to maintain, or the host country needs immediate funds, a sale could be made like the Louisiana Purchase, Alaksan or Gadsden Purchase. Towards the end of the time period though.

That's true enough for colonies, although in EU3 it lets you sell whatever provinces anyway, regardless of historical basis. England can just give up it's French territories at the start of the game, for example, which I doubt anybody could argue is very plausible. I mainly want it for convenience sake - sometimes I inherit a nation with lots of scattered colonies and I just want to get rid of them wholsesale rather than selling them 1 at a time, wasting a diplomat for each. Or times where I want to fix up the borders, maybe swap a province with an ally without going to war against the AI.

 

[WeissRaben]

No, well, there were land sales in the early period, too - Valdemar Atterdag bought Denmark back and then sold Estonia to the Teutonic Knights, and - I think - Altmark too changed hands by the means of payment.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

I'd also like a relationship bonus for gifted territory. In EUIII, you can quadruple the size of a country with gifted land, and it would have no effect on their opinion of you.

And I strongly, strongly second the liberate peace option. I hated it when a nation I wanted to release in its entirety revolted away as an OPM, making an entire war pointless.

When you are in a position where you simply give away territory to a country, you don't NEED their friendship in any way.

Also, think of those receiving but ungrateful countries as PC gamers: You give them free stuff that you won with your own sweat and tears, but they just clamor for more, because their feeling is they were entitled to all that in the first place, and that you're a bastard for not having given it to them earlier.