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I (Turkey) have a vassal, The Hedjaz. To my surprise they were suddenly at war with Oman. I thought that was a good opportunity to annex Oman. I didn't do it until then, because it should cost me 3 stability-points.
But to my surprise I could help my vassal. I thought that "in war with a vassal" would mean "in war with the vassals lord". Isn't that so ?
 
It seems a bit ridiculous that you cant help your vassals if you arnt allied, since the main point of them submitting to being vassalized is for your protection. If you dont want to annex your vassals you have to stay in a alliance with them which prevents you from pursuing stronger alliances that could would be better for the fatherland. It really sucks.
 
Yeah, well, but that's the way it works now and unless u want ur vassals to be swallowed up after spending all that money on it ...

Besides if u can get allies u should be strong enough to lead ur own coalition of selected minors.
 
But there are such things as unhappy vassals. You should have to work a bit to maintain good relations with them. Asking them to join your alliance is one way to do that. If you don't, then you may find them drifting away from you.
 
In history we have everything. From unwilling vassals to happy vassals which were in other alliances nevertheless. Crimea under Mengli Giray is a good example: happy vassal of Turkey, nevertheless allied with Russia at the same time. What I think would be needed is that diploannexation of a vassal would require military alliance, too.

Hartmann
 
Originally posted by Olaf the Unsure
BiB is right. A vassal must be in the same alliance, with you as the leader, before you can annex them.
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Sorry to disagree, but this is certainly not true - at least not for diploannexations AI countries make. For the IGC I e.g. had to remove the vassalship of Crimea to Turkey, because Turkey almost always annexed Crimea around 1502 despite Crimea being in alliance with RUSSIA. You can still see this phenomenon with Holstein. Holstein is vassal of Denmark and at the same time it´s a member of the Hansaalliance. Despite this it´s very often diploannexed by Denmark around 1502.

Hartmann

P.S.: I´m still playing the last beta of 1.08, but Johan confirmed that this version is exactly the same as the official 1.08.
 
Sorry to disagree, but this is certainly not true - at least not for diploannexations AI countries make. For the IGC I e.g. had to remove the vassalship of Crimea to Turkey, because Turkey almost always annexed Crimea around 1502 despite Crimea being in alliance with RUSSIA. You can still see this phenomenon with Holstein. Holstein is vassal of Denmark and at the same time it´s a member of the Hansaalliance. Despite this it´s very often diploannexed by Denmark around 1502.
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Oh, that clears everything up. After thousands of posts on the subject, the consensus was that:

1) to vassalize, you have to be adjacent and / or be in an alliance and / or be the leader of an alliance and / or both countries be at peace and / or have relations of +191 for 0-10 years

2) to diplo-annex, you have to be adjacent and / or be in an alliance and / or be the leader of an alliance and / or both countries be at peace and / or have relations of +191 for 0-10 years

So, the simple rules we have come to use are at question?
:):)
 
Originally posted by State Machine


Oh, that clears everything up. After thousands of posts on the subject, the consensus was that:

1) to vassalize, you have to be adjacent and / or be in an alliance and / or be the leader of an alliance and / or both countries be at peace and / or have relations of +191 for 0-10 years

2) to diplo-annex, you have to be adjacent and / or be in an alliance and / or be the leader of an alliance and / or both countries be at peace and / or have relations of +191 for 0-10 years

So, the simple rules we have come to use are at question?
:):)
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Lol. :)

But seriously, You´re right. Part of the problem is, that the conditions change all the time over the version. This is what I currently claim to know (things I´m not sure about, because they change over the versions of EU all the time are in brackets):

1) to vassalize, you have to be in an alliance (and be the leader of an alliance?) and both countries be at peace and have relations of +191 and a royal marriage (for 10 years?) and the vassalizator has to have more provinces.

2) to diplo-annex, you have to be adjacent and both countries be at peace and have relations of +191 for 10 years and same religion.


Additionally chance of success depends on diplomacy skill of monarch (compared to the skill of the other monarch), on ratio of landforces and stability of target.

Hartmann
 
That might very well be the case for AI countries but I was talking about the player here and I have NEVER had the annex button show up unless I was allied too.

For example I have had a vassal for 20 years, all requirements met. No annex option. I then add them to my alliance, annex button lights up ...

I can only diplo annex when I'm allied to the one in question so I do ...

So, I'm not gonna wait unallied with all requirements supposedly met for the annex button to show up after some 20 years when I can diplo annex them instantly when I add them to my alliance ...
 
Originally posted by Hartmann

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2) to diplo-annex, you have to be adjacent and both countries be at peace and have relations of +191 for 10 years and same religion.
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Your relations have to be high at the moment of annexation, not all the time. My Russian Empire just annexed Moldovia even though our relations hovered on the 150-160 mark for 20 years (took me a while to pry Bessarabia from Poland). After a war with Poland, I sent a personal gift to the Moldovians (which spent all their cash fighting my wars :D) which promptly boosted relations to +200. Next month they were in the bag.

The same happened with Pskov. It's impossible to maintain consistently high relations with them because yor traders keep kicking theirs out of Novgorod. So by the time I wanted to annex them I disabled the auto send, sent them some cash and next month they were part of my growing empire.

Prussians are next on the list... ;)
 
Originally posted by BiB
That might very well be the case for AI countries but I was talking about the player here and I have NEVER had the annex button show up unless I was allied too.

For example I have had a vassal for 20 years, all requirements met. No annex option. I then add them to my alliance, annex button lights up ...

I can only diplo annex when I'm allied to the one in question so I do ...

So, I'm not gonna wait unallied with all requirements supposedly met for the annex button to show up after some 20 years when I can diplo annex them instantly when I add them to my alliance ...
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Hmm, this would explain something: During the testing I constantly harrassed Johan to make military alliance obligatory for diploannexing. Maybe he misunderstood my request and implemented it for the *human player* - whereas I wanted it as a general feature of course..... :(

Hartmann
 
Originally posted by Hartmann


Hmm, this would explain something: During the testing I constantly harrassed Johan to make military alliance obligatory for diploannexing. Maybe he misunderstood my request and implemented it for the *human player* - whereas I wanted it as a general feature of course..... :(

Hartmann
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Well, keep barking on him then to get it right :D
 
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