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Jos Theelen

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Whe I have countries vassalized, they cannot have a RM with another country. Normally I have such countries in my military alliance. But what happens if I don't take them in my alliance, the next time the alliance expires. Will it stay alone forever ? Will it try to join another one, just as a normal country ?
 
Originally posted by BiB
As long as it has good relations with u it can't join another alliance.
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Thanks. That means if I have a relation of +200, and I don't invite the country, it will stay alone or it will ask me if it can join the alliance. I myself cannot ask it, because as a 6th member, it will refuse with such good relations.
 
It won't join another one. I'd get rid of another alliance member to incorpôrate vassals. It's nice to protect ur investment and u need it anyway for diploannexation.
 
It has to break its' vassalisation before it can have relationships with other countries-that's why the Royal marriages normally get broken. As long as it has good relations to you, it'll just sit there.

Of course-if it's not in your alliance, lone countries like that can be vulnerable to the game's "predator nations".:)
 
Originally posted by BiB
It won't join another one. I'd get rid of another alliance member to incorpôrate vassals. It's nice to protect ur investment and u need it anyway for diploannexation.
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The problem is that all the other members of the alliance are also vassals. And I don't want to diplo-annex one, because I am building a ring of vassals around my country Hessen. That would make me almost invulnerable in Europe, except for the HRE.
 
Originally posted by Jos Theelen
The problem is that all the other members of the alliance are also vassals. And I don't want to diplo-annex one, because I am building a ring of vassals around my country Hessen. That would make me almost invulnerable in Europe, except for the HRE.
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Vassals are often more useful as productive provinces-certainly in the HRE. There's only a few states I'd consider keeping as vassals outside my alliance-for example, as Byzantium, Moldavia.

I presume you've fought your way north or west to the coast and are planning to gain strength colonially?:)
 
Originally posted by Agelastus

I presume you've fought your way north or west to the coast and are planning to gain strength colonially?:)
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No. I traded maps with England and Portugal. I got a random event with 3 settlers, so I had a coastal province at Kebec. After becoming protestant, I could build a small colonial empire with 2 CoT's. It is already 1710.

I had a few wars in Europe, but never expanded there. In Europe I still own the 2 original provinces. Only a few years ago I conquered the provinces of Hannover, but I want them to revolt and become Hannover again. In that way I can vassalize Hannover and together with my vassals Saxony, Thuringen, Kleves and The Palatinat I almost closed my ring of vassals. The last one should be France, they own Holland and Cologne. Unfortunately I don't think I can vassalize France, although I am 2th, and they are 3th.
 
Originally posted by Jos Theelen
The last one should be France, they own Holland and Cologne. Unfortunately I don't think I can vassalize France, although I am 2th, and they are 3th.
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That and the fact that they're quite likely to still be a tad bigger and stronger than you!:)
 
Alliances

Is there any way that the computer will accept an invite into an alliance that already has 5 members?

Duuk
 
Re: Re: Alliances

Originally posted by Jos Theelen
If the relation is lower then -7 and not too low, it is possible. The exact numbers I don't know.
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The limit goes down to about -40 or so. It seems fairly strange, almost "buggy", but it works............as many tales on this forum tell. :)
 
Re: Re: Re: Alliances

Originally posted by Agelastus

The limit goes down to about -40 or so. It seems fairly strange, almost "buggy", but it works............as many tales on this forum tell. :)
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It is very strange. A RM with negatice relations can be explained, fear for a possible enemy. But why a 6th member of an alliance should have negative relations, I cannot understand.
Has someone give a reasonable explanation for that ??
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Alliances

Originally posted by Jos Theelen
It is very strange. A RM with negatice relations can be explained, fear for a possible enemy. But why a 6th member of an alliance should have negative relations, I cannot understand.
Has someone give a reasonable explanation for that ??
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Perhaps "afraid to say no"-although that doesn't really work when your invitee is a more powerful nation than you. It gets really wierd when you want to rebuild your alliance-sending insults to get the relations down to the right level for your "extra" members.:D
 
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