Since I can't seem to get a country to become a vassal yet, I must ask what, if any, are the benefits if they except?
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You get 50% of their income. And of course vassalising a country is the first step toward diplomatic annexation.
I can't think of any. You don't get BB points for vassalising a country (only after you annex a country) and after they become your vassal you don't even need to keep them them in your alliance if you are afraid that they could draw you into war you don't want to fight.
Thank you. It does seem some what off base that you can't or don't have the option to protect them if a country attacks them with out having to take a hit in your stability by declaring war if they are attacked. This of course assuming they aren't in your alliance. I wonder if the AI is "aware" they are your vassals and should expect action from you. In real life I don't see any difference between what we have here in the States that we call "territories". To think we would stand by and see Puerto Rico attacked, even though I doubt if we have a document that says we'll protect them, is doubtful. Maybe we do, I don't know. Of course some of our "territories" would rather not be.
To be REALLY precise: You get 50% of their Province Tax collected over the course of the year.
... errrr, to be absolutely precice, not Province Tax but Census Tax. Which is the only annual one anyway.
...errrr, I'm 99% sure it´s the other way around, ie you get 1/2 of their monthly Province Tax, but NOT 1/2 of their annual Census Tax.
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I know for sure you get 1/2 of their Province Tax collected every month. I don't know if you also get 1/2 their Census Tax. Can someone check - do you get this as well? Also, it'd be interesting to see if Vassals continue to receive income normally - this would be in the bug category.
Originally posted by BiB
No, no, I'm pretty xure u can wander around
But do you get normal logistical support in your vassal's territory, or are you going to take the nasty attrition you get when outside one of your own provinces? And it doesn't look like you can dock at your vassal's port either - you have to unload as if you were invading an enemy territory.
Yes, the port thing is a bit weird. Anyway, I wouldn't know about attrition as I don't park troops there but in wartime u don't get the nasty attrition in allied territory.
In peacetime it's the same attrition as in enemy controlled provinces (40% of province support). When at war (and allied) it's the same as for other allies, ie 100% of province support, but not counting the fortress bonus.
Originally posted by BiB
Let's just say u get money
You definitely get the 50% of the monthly income. I'm 90% sure you don't get the census tax, too, but sometimes the annual numbers seem to vary or to round in unpredictable ways, so I can't be positive.
Also, sometimes there seems to be a delay before you start receiving vasal income (both delay and duration seems inconsistent, though).
I'm experimenting with not annexing vassals, to see how long I can keep them. If you're at war during a religion change, they aren't lost. In theory, they could be better than annexation for research purposes: since you're not acquiring additional provinces, vassalizations might help your research equation more than annexation (denominator stays the same, numerator increases). Depends on the province values, of course, but countries with lots of poor provinces probably make better vassals than annexation candidates ('course size makes them harder to vassalize).
If you don't keep them in your alliance, though, they are incredibly vulnerable. They can't ally with anyone else, so they're sitting ducks if an alliance targets them, or, more likely, ir they decide they'd like to take on the French/Polish/Savoyard/Papal/etc...alliance all by themselves. It's even more irritating if a vassal that is part of your alliance picks on one of your other vassals that is not part of your alliance, or vice-versa...you either cancel the alliance or lose the vassal. So you pretty much have to decide to keep them all in or all out of your alliance. And in my experience, there seems to be some kind of limit to alliances after four. You can sometimes get more allies to join, but rarely the useful ones you want (I'm wondering if there is a region limit); and the alliance seems more prone to disintegration once war is declared, if you have more than four. The AI, though, never seems to have this problem, for some reason, particularly the French AI.
Originally posted by BiB
No, no, I'm pretty xure u can wander around
Of course, it doesn't require vassalship to wonder around.