Viceroys in AGOT ?

[man84]

With the 3rd dev diary of Charlemagne DLC released, I'm wondering if the AGOT team will use the new viceroy mechanism in the future updates of the AGOT mod.
It'd be really great gameplay wise to prevent the internal blobbing of vassal kings/lord paramounts.
But I'm not entirely sure that it'd be cannon with the universe, so what do you guys think about this ?

P.S. : I'm sorry if my message seems confused or messy, english is not my native language.

 

[gorillacakes]

With the 3rd dev diary of Charlemagne DLC released, I'm wondering if the AGOT team will use the new viceroy mechanism in the future updates of the AGOT mod.
It'd be really great gameplay wise to prevent the internal blobbing of vassal kings/lord paramounts. But I'm not entirely sure that it'd be cannon with the universe, so what do you guys think about this ?

That's a very good question. I wonder would it be worthwhile to vest the lords paramount as viceroys? On the other hand it would mean a lot of handing out titles everytime they or the ruler on Iron throne dies.

I suppose someone could be classed as a "steward" of the duchy of x rather than viceroy it might make some sense.

 

[grzegorz444]

With the 3rd dev diary of Charlemagne DLC released, I'm wondering if the AGOT team will use the new viceroy mechanism in the future updates of the AGOT mod.
It'd be really great gameplay wise to prevent the internal blobbing of vassal kings/lord paramounts.
But I'm not entirely sure that it'd be cannon with the universe, so what do you guys think about this ?

Depends haw modable it will be. LP ware something between feudal kingoms and viceroys. I imagine make LP something like perament viceroy, but it must be modded, and probobly can't be possible :blush:
Viceroy cen be useful if LP hold two or me high lordships and don't wont/can't grant it for his children

 

[SplingeMcGraw]

It'll be useful for making things like the gates of the eyrie be more canon, I don't know about higher things though.

 

[brucepm]

If it's moddable to have county-level viceroyalties, having Eastwatch and the Shadowtower be eligible for viceroyalties would be a good idea, I think. Otherwise, the mechanic wouldn't really be appropriate for most things in Westeros; Lords Paramount succeed without requiring confirmation from their liege, except perhaps ceremonially or in times of crisis, both of which are represented adequately by revokation of the title. You might find more use for it in Essos, though.

 

[Calantyr]

The Lord Paramounts were traditionally the major families, but the King had the power to choose whoever he wanted. This is established in the lore but I have no links at the moment.

So Viceroys would be perfect for Westeros.

 

[TIDM2]

I'd like to see a link to that maybe. I mean it seems the families who control the Lord Paramounts have stayed the same mostly over the centuries barring extinction of a house (Case for Gardener-Tyrell situation) or maybe some major rebellion (Stark). In these cases the King usually takes the title and hands it out to someone new anyways. It hasn't been shown in any lore as far as I know that a King on the Iron Throne had the power to replace a house with another house on a whim. I really don't think viceroys would work at all for Lord Paramounts, and I feel like the current system is fine, as the title does pass down to children and so forth...

I agree with what someone said before about it working well for places like the Night's Watch or the Bloody Gate (If county viceroys are possible)

 

[Mathrafalovich]

I'm more interested in seeing if we can use the loss of vassals on death mechanic to prevent LPs from continually holding territory outside their lands.

 

[Roguedemon]

The Lord Paramounts were traditionally the major families, but the King had the power to choose whoever he wanted. This is established in the lore but I have no links at the moment.

So Viceroys would be perfect for Westeros.

Perhaps they make sense as viceroyalities in terms of describing their powers, but in terms of what is being added to the game I don't think the LPs would make sense as viceroyalities mechanically. The viceroyalities seem to have been added as a method of escaping hereditary vassals; perhaps legally LPs are appointments, but for all practical purposes they are hereditary, and unless the viceroyality system comes with a system whereby governors try and keep the appointment in their line, a whole new system of events would have to be written for the LPs despite the fact that revokation effectively serves the correct purpose.

Another problem is that the wording of the dev diary seems to imply that viceroyalities are exclusive to the Charlemagne DLC. So it would either force Charlemagne to be required for the mod, or for there to be two systems - one for people with the dlc and one for people without it. And given the potential problems of using the viceroyality system in the first place it makes it even less appealing.

 

[knuckey]

The Lord Paramounts were traditionally the major families, but the King had the power to choose whoever he wanted. This is established in the lore but I have no links at the moment.

So Viceroys would be perfect for Westeros.

Source? As far as I'm aware the Lordships of Westeros are hereditary.

 

[Raczynski]

The Lord Paramounts were traditionally the major families, but the King had the power to choose whoever he wanted. This is established in the lore but I have no links at the moment.

So Viceroys would be perfect for Westeros.

You're thinking of Wardenships (Military commands). Lord titles were always hereditary.

 

[CJMoore]

If it can be used for Counts and dukes, viceroys could be used for the Glovers and Talharts (they administer Stark land, it isn't there own) as well as the Bloody Gate and Moat Cailin.

 

[Calantyr]

You're thinking of Wardenships (Military commands). Lord titles were always hereditary.

You are correct, my mistake. The Warden of the North, South, etc, could be changed at whim, but were usually the major families.

 

[Xoatly]

Choosing regents would be cool, also. I could get rid of Cersei and install Tyrion/Tywin instead.

 

[ngppgn]

I'd say viceroys are fully moddable. Not the diplomatic button itself, but the status: Those are vassal duchies and kingdoms with appointment succession, no more. If the team want tobadd something like that, they already have the ressources to do it

 

[Slavicist]

If it can be used for Counts and dukes, viceroys could be used for the Glovers and Talharts (they administer Stark land, it isn't there own) as well as the Bloody Gate and Moat Cailin.

A brilliant idea!

 

[AchedTeacher]

The Lord Paramounts were traditionally the major families, but the King had the power to choose whoever he wanted. This is established in the lore but I have no links at the moment.

So Viceroys would be perfect for Westeros.

Afaik that's the Wardens, not the actual physical titles.

 

[Orctavius]

Viceroys should be disabled as basically all of the landed titles in Westeros are hereditary.

 

[wdthrill]

This would be perfect for wardens, create titular titles for all the wardens instead of honorary and grant them as viceroyalties

 

[Gball]

The Lord Paramounts were traditionally the major families, but the King had the power to choose whoever he wanted. This is established in the lore but I have no links at the moment.

So Viceroys would be perfect for Westeros.

And theoretically, the queen of England is the absolute monarch of England in most things.

De facto situations and legal ones differ greatly. The Byzantine up to its end had vested theoretical absolute powers to the emperor, even though in practice the strategoi controlled everything.

While in theory the king could give the kingdoms to anyone, he would never (aka doesn't have the de-facto power to do so) without being seen as a terrible tyrant, unless he had a good reason to. That, as someone else said, is accurately portrayed by revocation,