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Henry v. Keiper

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Dealing with: Victoria 1.03 and TGW 1.04b

I got Victoria for my birthday, and have been enjoying it. Now, I commonly play with the Grand Campaign (which I always did with EUI and EUII, and likewise the 1936 scenario for HOI) but out of curiousity I tried out the 1914 (aka World War I) scenario for Paradox's latest venture.

Sadly, I was somewhat disappointed.

Here are some things I've noticed, and how I best compare them to The Great War mod's take on...well, the Great War...

1. My biggest concern: Germany has WAY TOO MANY TROOPS. My first game was as Belgium (I felt like playing dangerous) and utilized the defenses at Liege, Brussels, etc. I soon found out how useless that was - mainly because I had to deal with 500,000 Germans soldiers versus by 20,000 Belgian soldiers! Later on I retreated to the coastal province with the rest of my forces. I even got a commander who was good at defense, and my total forces were some 50,000 Belgian soldiers. Yet again, the Germans could throw 300,000 men at me. I played again as France (which gave me a big problem, which I will get to later) and found yet again I was dealing with serious cases of too many Germans. I managed to move my troops to my border provinces and have enough in each one to scare the Germans off from attacking too soon. However, as I looked about the border provinces I noticed that - all the way from Belgium's west coast to the German/Swiss border with Switzerland - the Germans had 300,000 troops in each province. No, this is not an exaggeration, I checked each troop amount. I could only muster about 50,000 men in each border province. The Germans could have busted through my lines and moved on to Paris in a matter of minutes. As a matter of fact they did. And watching some hands-off games they seem to enjoy doing that.

2. Russia seems to be somewhat easier to survive with than in the TGW mod. Granted, this is seen from the AI's activity in Victoria's 1914 Scenario in hands-off game. Russia even seems to make some headway and keep German/Austro-Hungarian troops down. Compared to the push-over Russian AI in TGW. Watching the German AI roll over them again and again, as well as playing as Germany and rolling over Russia with out fear, its almost like putting Russia in the game is a joke.

3. France's economy gives me some troubles in Victoria's 1914 scenario. Now I'll admit I'm not too hot on the economy any way, however nothing I seemed to try worked too much. I had exports in the hundreds and taxed my tariffs/people into oblivion, yet I was constantly in negative numbers. Before the Germans had even reached Brussels my loan debt was through the roof! As a result I could barely raise any troops, let alone afford to supply my army or defense budget.

There are my basic observations. Any body notice any thing else?
 
Russia's TGW AI is in fact not bad - they usually clobber AH which is what happened, and only low tech levels and a lack of IC slow them down.

We intend to make a Russian infantry model that costs less to produce to get the Russian masses effect.

Victoria 1914 is in no way suitable for a World War. Who wants to click on individual pops and build little factories whilst managing the biggest to date war in mankind?

TGW is far superior. End of story and study.
 
Allenby said:
Perhaps you should post this in the Victoria section as well, Henry? :)

I should, but that might look like flame-baiting, and I never much cared for those flamers. :eek:o

With regards to Russia, I have noticed on occasion TGW's Russia moves into AH, but only for a few months. I very rarely, if ever, see them come out victorious. In HoI proper I see different outcomes for the German/Russian war. Also, the infantry production factor might be a good addition. :) Although that would also mean the stats they currently have should remain the same. That would, however, make them accurate.
 
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While I was playing as France, Russia lost Poland to Germany in a matter of months, but continued the offensive on A-H for some reason. Can we add a few brain cells to the Tzar's brain? :)
 
I've only played one game of TGW then uninstalled it for 1.06 so I don't have much to say about it. However I can speak for Victoria. The WW1 scenario isn't as rigged as you make it out for Germany. The reason Germany has so many troops is probably because the AI is converting all those africa POPs into soldiers (they act the same as national POPs except they cost a LOT less to maintain, hopefully this will be fixed in 1.04). Germany's also got a lot of large POPs in RGOs in the fatherland. I've been able to beat Germany with Italy, France, and the UK in the ww1 scenario quite easily actually. Just convert all your large african POPs into soldiers and all your large RGO POPs (depends on the RGO type, grain, cattle, sheep, and fish are preferable because they make almost no money) in your homeland. Set education and crime fighting to 0 (there really is no point in educating your people at this stage, all you really need is the last rifle tech which you can the UK for). If you find that you're still in the negative, set your navy to 1%. You really won't be fighting many naval battles with Germany anyway (unless your the UK, but as the UK its possible to have 50% education, 100% defense spending, 100% military spending, and 100% naval spending while still making a few pounds a day). From here all you do is make sure Paris doesn't fall. If you're the UK, make massive amounts of artillery infantry and station 15 or so engineer infantry in the suez. After several years of war usually Russia sends up taking all of east prussia or has knocked Austria out of the war completely. One this happens you've basically won the game (note that it's impossible to tilt the game as Belgium though, since the allies NEVER help you).
 
I'd like to know how the African natives get to the homeland.
 
Henry v. Keiper said:
Dealing with: Victoria 1.03 and TGW 1.04b


3. France's economy gives me some troubles in Victoria's 1914 scenario. Now I'll admit I'm not too hot on the economy any way, however nothing I seemed to try worked too much. I had exports in the hundreds and taxed my tariffs/people into oblivion, yet I was constantly in negative numbers. Before the Germans had even reached Brussels my loan debt was through the roof! As a result I could barely raise any troops, let alone afford to supply my army or defense budget.

I played the Victoria WWI scenario with the United States and was able to fund all my war efforts by raising taxes. Since the scenario is so short, you can gut your economy to support the war effort and the game will be over before you have to deal with the consequences. :D However, I have not tried that tactic with the most recent patch to see if that still works . . .

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EnPeaSea
 
MegaPIMP said:
They swim ;)

Ah so that's how Africans became such great athletes.

EnPeaSea said:
I played the Victoria WWI scenario with the United States and was able to fund all my war efforts by raising taxes. Since the scenario is so short, you can gut your economy to support the war effort and the game will be over before you have to deal with the consequences. :D However, I have not tried that tactic with the most recent patch to see if that still works . . .

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EnPeaSea

I never thought about that. That's a good point, although people will emmigrate from the nation if you tax them too highly, won't they?
 
You can probably get them killed faster. :D
 
Gwalcmai said:
You can probably get them killed faster. :D

Good point...Just turn every body into soldiers :D :rofl:

"Hey look, it's either fight for France or start chugging down shnitzels. Understand?"
 
Are there any other facets of Victoria worthy of comparison with TGW, Henry? Don't hold back if there are worthy of comment :)

And have you found any more tech pictures?
 
ptan54 said:
This is the Great War forum, not the Victoria forum. If you want to talk about the intricacies of pop nursing, please take it elsewhere or get this thread moved to Victoria General Discussions.

Thank you.

We were TALKING about POP NURSING in RELATION to a PROBLEM with VICTORIA'S WWI MOD and why the TGW MOD was BETTER.

DUR :rolleyes:

Allenby said:
Are there any other facets of Victoria worthy of comparison with TGW, Henry? Don't hold back if there are worthy of comment :)

Actually yes, I have to wonder about the diplomatic structure and how it affects replaying the end of the war.

TGW, for example, has several events that give grants to Germany and Austro-Hungary (and maybe Italy) after the end of the war, such as African colonies and the formations of puppet governments in eastern Europe. With Vicky, however, Germany can sign a peace treaty and get every thing except their capital (which is pretty annoying for the game, and a bit unrealistic).

And have you found any more tech pictures?

I'm tempting to rent the DVD of "Paths of Glory"....
 
Allenby said:
I suggest you dress up in a First World War uniform and film yourself in the back garden ;)

And recites these WWI poems:


There is a long road that has not turning
it´s never too late to mend
the darkest hour is before the dawn
and even this war must end


---

There was a young lady of Ypres
who was hit in the cheek by two snipers
the tunes that she played
through the holes that they made
beat the Argyll and Southerland pipers


---

My belonings I leave to my next of kin,
My purse is empty there´s nothing in;
My uniform, rifle, pack and kit,
I leave to the poor devil they will fit;
But if I this war manages to clear
I´ll keep it myself for a souvenir

(The author of this poem was killed in action April 1918 :( )

---

The moon shines bright on Charlie Chaplin,
His boots are cracking, for want of blacking.
And his little baggy trousers they want mending,
Before we sent him to the Dardanelles...


---

There was a young boche at Bazentin
Who liked the first trench he went in.
But a 15 inch 'dud'
Sent him flat in the mud
And he found that his helmet was bent in.


---

And then:

Little girls and little boys,
Never suck your german toys;
German soldiers licked will make
Darling Baby´s tummy ache.
Parents you should always try
Only british toys to buy;
Though to pieces they be picked,
British soldiers can´t be licked.
 
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