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Basically, I know there used to be a mod called HIP or something that would do this for you and I have tried to find a discord or a file of all the viking renaming for different countries to no avail so I was wondering if anyone knew what a viking who has conquered Cornwall might call it. More specifically a Dane (Haesstein :) ).
 
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Basically, I know there used to be a mod called HIP or something that would do this for you and I have tried to find a discord or a file of all the viking renaming for different countries to no avail so I was wondering if anyone knew what a viking who has conquered Cornwall might call it. More specifically a Dane (Haesstein :) ).
Decided on Vestrbryn for culture name :)
 
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A very interesting run!
 
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A reversal of what happened historically! In our timeline, Northern England was the areas that eventually gave birth to the Anglo-Danes by blending its cultures, while the South firmly remained Anglo-Saxon under native dynasties.
Not entirely true. The south had Norse and later on Norman but they often treated Anglo Saxons as middle men. Basically they retain duchy titles and most count or local ones.
The Norse in north basically mix with Anglo Saxons creating the Scots especially in lowlands. Much of inlands/highlands stay Celtic. Same goes for more western parts of England.
It’s mainly the Celtic groups getting screwed over most and short stick on things.

The Anglo Saxons are originally two tribes from Germania that invaded Isles after Rome fell. The Danes predecessors were part of that too with Jutes.
That area of East Angila had people invading or raiding from Denmark and Northern Germania plus Frisia since dying days of Rome.

If not for religious divisions of pagan vs Christians then Anglo Saxons and Viking or most Germanic people do share common ancestry and dialect plus similar alphabets(runes).

Honestly for gameplay reasons and history it seems excessive to create different culture families for Germanic group instead of one family. The Lombards and much of goths are originally from Scandinavia at one point. Why separate them into north, west, and Central when they traveled and scattered across Europe from similar geographical range before migrating?

England itself is major melting pot and intersection for multiple groups.

The Anglo Saxons actually show proof that pagan religions were not as “unreformed” as Christians often made them out to be. During Viking conquest of Isles there is evidence of Anglo Saxons relapsing into old pagan practices.

The church is often conducting social engineering programs and using law enforcement(religious police or officials) to root out perceived pagan practices throughout Europe.

This includes runes(non Latin alphabet), raiding(understandable lol), chattel slavery especially of fellow Christians(justification used by William the conqueror), and any excessive syncretism.

We don’t have records of local or daily stuff like we do counter revolutionary activities in modern history but that’s how church in Europe back then is often conducting themselves. Really impressive given technology limitations of time
 
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I think you might be getting some facts confused mate. The South did not have any significant Danish and/or Norse settlement. Greater Wessex (Wessex, Kent, Sussex, Essex), and Western Mercia were spared from Scandinavian control until the reigns of Sweyn and Cnut. Guthrum did control Wessex for a time when he forced Alfred into exile after Chippenham, but there was no settlement of Danes during his brief reign there.

The North did experience a large degree of Danish settlement however. East Anglia, Eastern Mercia (also known as the Five Boroughs), Deira (York/Jorvik), and Cumbria experienced a great degree of cultural blending as Halfdan and subsequent Danish rulers divvied up the land among their followers. The only area of the North that did not experience as heavy cultural blending was Bernicia, where native Anglians ruled as vassals to the kings of York, but even there had some Danish settling in.
Not only did the invaders settle here, but the Kings of Jorvik also frequently sold land to other Scandinavians which did not partake in the conquest, many of these buyers would found entirely new settlements, which can still be seen today as they often end in the suffixes -thorpe, -by, -holme, or -firth.

As for the Scots, well their origin actually lies in the Northernmost part of Bernicia (the part least settled by the Danes). Their language however does present large Scandinavian influence too, like that of the English. They would be one of the building blocks of the Kingdom of Alba/Scotland, which was the melting pot of Britain at the time with heavy Pictish elements (especially in Moray), Norse (not Danish, mostly in the Isles), British (Strathclyde, Galloway, Cumbria), and Gaelic (the Irish descendants from Dal Riada).

The Anglo-Saxons were actually a myriad of tribal groups actually, Angles and Saxons (obviously), but also Jutes, Frisians, Taifals, Franks, along with other Germanic peoples that had moved to England prior to the withdrawal of Rome in 409, serving as Laeti/Foederati. These groups held great animosity toward each other regardless of shared language, culture, or religion, and it took a long time for shared regional identities to form (West Saxons, Mercians, Bernicians, etc). A shared Anglo-Saxon/English identity was the project of King Alfred of Wessex and his descendants, and took several generations. Even during the time of the Norman Conquest, the people of Northumbria still did not fully consider themselves English, and often times clamored for Scandinavian rule rather than Southern English. They embraced Sweyn and Cnut, many sided with Tostig and Harold Hardraada (despite being Norse and not Danish).

Religion was NOT the issue of the day. There is almost no record of religious-inspired violence taking place, it was all mostly political. The clergy of York was quick to side with Halfdan and the Kings of Jorvik, and the Danish settlers very quickly converted to Christianity in fact. There is no evidence of the English reverting to pagan ways. In fact, illuminated scrolls and paintings of the era show Christian iconography heavily influenced by Scandinavian artistic styles, not the other way around. Christianity continued to spread freely during Danish rule. The Archbishops of York were key allies of the Danes (even when they were Pagan) and a large part of their continued success in the North (without Church support, the Danes would've been toast).

We actually know surprisingly little about how slavery was actually conducted in a day-to-day basis in England during this time, but from what we know it was certainly not what we'd consider chattel slavery. In fact what records we have concerning slaves often make it difficult to distinguish who was and wasn't a slave, as often their conditions were fairly similar, especially in the latter Anglo-Saxon period as society had stratified to an insane degree. No contemporary record shows William using abolishing slavery as justification for his conquest, and the Normans in fact enslaved a large amount of English people during their conquest, especially in Sussex where they landed.

As for gameplay, it very much makes sense for there to be several cultural groups of Germanic peoples, as their cultural practices were quite distinct from each other.

Central Germanics were very much interested in claiming the mantle of Rome, as many of them were heavily Romanized when Rome "fell," and would later claim to be their successors through the HRE. The legal codes of Germany and the Lowlands thus would heavily resemble that of the Romans, as the Franks were as Romanized as can be without being outright Roman. The Scandinavians certainly knew of Rome, but they fell entirely outside of the Roman scope and thus had no claims or relation to any descent from them. In many ways the Scandinavians were to the Germanic peoples what the Picts were to the Brythonic peoples.
The Anglo-Saxons meanwhile came from areas not as heavily Romanized and thus had different practices from that of continental Europe, but their close proximity to Merovingian and later Carolingian France did lead to a lot of cultural bleed, making them the halfway group of the three, not to mention the fact that many Roman structures and buildings would form the skeletons of future Anglo-Saxon settlements and towns. Basically Central Germanic = Romanized Germanics, Anglo-Saxons = Kinda Romanized Germanics, Scandinavians = Not at all Romanized Germanics.
 
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I think you might be getting some facts confused mate. The South did not have any significant Danish and/or Norse settlement. Greater Wessex (Wessex, Kent, Sussex, Essex), and Western Mercia were spared from Scandinavian control until the reigns of Sweyn and Cnut. Guthrum did control Wessex for a time when he forced Alfred into exile after Chippenham, but there was no settlement of Danes during his brief reign there.

The North did experience a large degree of Danish settlement however. East Anglia, Eastern Mercia (also known as the Five Boroughs), Deira (York/Jorvik), and Cumbria experienced a great degree of cultural blending as Halfdan and subsequent Danish rulers divvied up the land among their followers. The only area of the North that did not experience as heavy cultural blending was Bernicia, where native Anglians ruled as vassals to the kings of York, but even there had some Danish settling in.
Not only did the invaders settle here, but the Kings of Jorvik also frequently sold land to other Scandinavians which did not partake in the conquest, many of these buyers would found entirely new settlements, which can still be seen today as they often end in the suffixes -thorpe, -by, -holme, or -firth.

As for the Scots, well their origin actually lies in the Northernmost part of Bernicia (the part least settled by the Danes). Their language however does present large Scandinavian influence too, like that of the English. They would be one of the building blocks of the Kingdom of Alba/Scotland, which was the melting pot of Britain at the time with heavy Pictish elements (especially in Moray), Norse (not Danish, mostly in the Isles), British (Strathclyde, Galloway, Cumbria), and Gaelic (the Irish descendants from Dal Riada).

The Anglo-Saxons were actually a myriad of tribal groups actually, Angles and Saxons (obviously), but also Jutes, Frisians, Taifals, Franks, along with other Germanic peoples that had moved to England prior to the withdrawal of Rome in 409, serving as Laeti/Foederati. These groups held great animosity toward each other regardless of shared language, culture, or religion, and it took a long time for shared regional identities to form (West Saxons, Mercians, Bernicians, etc). A shared Anglo-Saxon/English identity was the project of King Alfred of Wessex and his descendants, and took several generations. Even during the time of the Norman Conquest, the people of Northumbria still did not fully consider themselves English, and often times clamored for Scandinavian rule rather than Southern English. They embraced Sweyn and Cnut, many sided with Tostig and Harold Hardraada (despite being Norse and not Danish).

Religion was NOT the issue of the day. There is almost no record of religious-inspired violence taking place, it was all mostly political. The clergy of York was quick to side with Halfdan and the Kings of Jorvik, and the Danish settlers very quickly converted to Christianity in fact. There is no evidence of the English reverting to pagan ways. In fact, illuminated scrolls and paintings of the era show Christian iconography heavily influenced by Scandinavian artistic styles, not the other way around. Christianity continued to spread freely during Danish rule. The Archbishops of York were key allies of the Danes (even when they were Pagan) and a large part of their continued success in the North (without Church support, the Danes would've been toast).

We actually know surprisingly little about how slavery was actually conducted in a day-to-day basis in England during this time, but from what we know it was certainly not what we'd consider chattel slavery. In fact what records we have concerning slaves often make it difficult to distinguish who was and wasn't a slave, as often their conditions were fairly similar, especially in the latter Anglo-Saxon period as society had stratified to an insane degree. No contemporary record shows William using abolishing slavery as justification for his conquest, and the Normans in fact enslaved a large amount of English people during their conquest, especially in Sussex where they landed.

As for gameplay, it very much makes sense for there to be several cultural groups of Germanic peoples, as their cultural practices were quite distinct from each other.

Central Germanics were very much interested in claiming the mantle of Rome, as many of them were heavily Romanized when Rome "fell," and would later claim to be their successors through the HRE. The legal codes of Germany and the Lowlands thus would heavily resemble that of the Romans, as the Franks were as Romanized as can be without being outright Roman. The Scandinavians certainly knew of Rome, but they fell entirely outside of the Roman scope and thus had no claims or relation to any descent from them. In many ways the Scandinavians were to the Germanic peoples what the Picts were to the Brythonic peoples.
The Anglo-Saxons meanwhile came from areas not as heavily Romanized and thus had different practices from that of continental Europe, but their close proximity to Merovingian and later Carolingian France did lead to a lot of cultural bleed, making them the halfway group of the three, not to mention the fact that many Roman structures and buildings would form the skeletons of future Anglo-Saxon settlements and towns. Basically Central Germanic = Romanized Germanics, Anglo-Saxons = Kinda Romanized Germanics, Scandinavians = Not at all Romanized Germanics.
You do realize they been so intermingled for centuries if not longer? The Jutes are basically Danes or another local tribe there that left. That’s main difference. One left one did not.
You got these barbarians wondering all over damn place and overlapping with celts since hell even the Cimbrain War.
Even BC you got random ass ancient predecessors of Vikings going around raiding in similar fashion all way in Italy.

Rome arguably expanded north in Gaul like it did because it got sick of this stuff especially after they sack Rome from Gaul themselves with mix of Celtic and Germanic barbarians.

The just romanized like mongols sinicized to Chinese culture. We don’t break up Mongolic people like that do we not???

Lombards and goths are not originally romanized groups. Christianity romanized Germanic people more so then empire did at times.
 
I think you might be getting some facts confused mate. The South did not have any significant Danish and/or Norse settlement. Greater Wessex (Wessex, Kent, Sussex, Essex), and Western Mercia were spared from Scandinavian control until the reigns of Sweyn and Cnut. Guthrum did control Wessex for a time when he forced Alfred into exile after Chippenham, but there was no settlement of Danes during his brief reign there.

The North did experience a large degree of Danish settlement however. East Anglia, Eastern Mercia (also known as the Five Boroughs), Deira (York/Jorvik), and Cumbria experienced a great degree of cultural blending as Halfdan and subsequent Danish rulers divvied up the land among their followers. The only area of the North that did not experience as heavy cultural blending was Bernicia, where native Anglians ruled as vassals to the kings of York, but even there had some Danish settling in.
Not only did the invaders settle here, but the Kings of Jorvik also frequently sold land to other Scandinavians which did not partake in the conquest, many of these buyers would found entirely new settlements, which can still be seen today as they often end in the suffixes -thorpe, -by, -holme, or -firth.

As for the Scots, well their origin actually lies in the Northernmost part of Bernicia (the part least settled by the Danes). Their language however does present large Scandinavian influence too, like that of the English. They would be one of the building blocks of the Kingdom of Alba/Scotland, which was the melting pot of Britain at the time with heavy Pictish elements (especially in Moray), Norse (not Danish, mostly in the Isles), British (Strathclyde, Galloway, Cumbria), and Gaelic (the Irish descendants from Dal Riada).

The Anglo-Saxons were actually a myriad of tribal groups actually, Angles and Saxons (obviously), but also Jutes, Frisians, Taifals, Franks, along with other Germanic peoples that had moved to England prior to the withdrawal of Rome in 409, serving as Laeti/Foederati. These groups held great animosity toward each other regardless of shared language, culture, or religion, and it took a long time for shared regional identities to form (West Saxons, Mercians, Bernicians, etc). A shared Anglo-Saxon/English identity was the project of King Alfred of Wessex and his descendants, and took several generations. Even during the time of the Norman Conquest, the people of Northumbria still did not fully consider themselves English, and often times clamored for Scandinavian rule rather than Southern English. They embraced Sweyn and Cnut, many sided with Tostig and Harold Hardraada (despite being Norse and not Danish).

Religion was NOT the issue of the day. There is almost no record of religious-inspired violence taking place, it was all mostly political. The clergy of York was quick to side with Halfdan and the Kings of Jorvik, and the Danish settlers very quickly converted to Christianity in fact. There is no evidence of the English reverting to pagan ways. In fact, illuminated scrolls and paintings of the era show Christian iconography heavily influenced by Scandinavian artistic styles, not the other way around. Christianity continued to spread freely during Danish rule. The Archbishops of York were key allies of the Danes (even when they were Pagan) and a large part of their continued success in the North (without Church support, the Danes would've been toast).

We actually know surprisingly little about how slavery was actually conducted in a day-to-day basis in England during this time, but from what we know it was certainly not what we'd consider chattel slavery. In fact what records we have concerning slaves often make it difficult to distinguish who was and wasn't a slave, as often their conditions were fairly similar, especially in the latter Anglo-Saxon period as society had stratified to an insane degree. No contemporary record shows William using abolishing slavery as justification for his conquest, and the Normans in fact enslaved a large amount of English people during their conquest, especially in Sussex where they landed.

As for gameplay, it very much makes sense for there to be several cultural groups of Germanic peoples, as their cultural practices were quite distinct from each other.

Central Germanics were very much interested in claiming the mantle of Rome, as many of them were heavily Romanized when Rome "fell," and would later claim to be their successors through the HRE. The legal codes of Germany and the Lowlands thus would heavily resemble that of the Romans, as the Franks were as Romanized as can be without being outright Roman. The Scandinavians certainly knew of Rome, but they fell entirely outside of the Roman scope and thus had no claims or relation to any descent from them. In many ways the Scandinavians were to the Germanic peoples what the Picts were to the Brythonic peoples.
The Anglo-Saxons meanwhile came from areas not as heavily Romanized and thus had different practices from that of continental Europe, but their close proximity to Merovingian and later Carolingian France did lead to a lot of cultural bleed, making them the halfway group of the three, not to mention the fact that many Roman structures and buildings would form the skeletons of future Anglo-Saxon settlements and towns. Basically Central Germanic = Romanized Germanics, Anglo-Saxons = Kinda Romanized Germanics, Scandinavians = Not at all Romanized Germanics.
You see bit of syncretism with Germanic folklore and Christianity due to them being jackboots of church therefore harder to always overly impose on. Also they are naturally further from papacy in geography so it’s grip is less tight
 
Hi! I know this thread is very old, but I still felt that I could throw my thoughts in. So after some simple research, I found that "Cornwall" comes from "Corn Welsh". Welsh is self-explanatory, but the Corn doesn't come from the American nor the British meaning of the word. Rather, Corn in this context comes from the Cornowii tribe of Wales.

I also found that generally, norse people during most of the Viking Age would have referred to Wales as Bretland, but it could sometimes be found as Bryttanien or Brytten. Therfore, I did some lovely swedish mashing of words and came to the conclusion that Korbretland, or Korbrittanien, could be good - and historically *inspired* words. I don't know if this will help after all this time, but good luck.
 
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I used the name Cornlander in my playthrough because it reminds me of Danelander for Norse + Anglo-Saxon

Also btw I think you’re not supposed to necro old threads so a mod is probably going to close this discussion