Vote for law change - bug

[prothis]

Duchies and counties which do not belong to my kingdom still have voting rights when changing certain laws. For example, when changing the "Crown Authority" law while playing as Scotland, the Duke of the Isles and all his vassals (Count of the Isle of Man, Count of Galloway, etc.) were listed as opponents...even though they do not belong to my realm.

 

[artfox]

Duchies and counties which do not belong to my kingdom still have voting rights when changing certain laws. For example, when changing the "Crown Authority" law while playing as Scotland, the Duke of the Isles and all his vassals (Count of the Isle of Man, Count of Galloway, etc.) were listed as opponents...even though they do not belong to my realm.

This one is more of a interface issue than an acutal bug. I'll try to explain it:

There is a difference between your De Jure kingdom (concerning the law) and De Facto kingdom (in practice but not necessarily ordained by law) . You can see the difference between them by selecting different map modes. Some laws are concerning your De Jure kingdom while other laws are concerning your De Facto kingdom. So, when voting for laws everybody that are concerned by the law will get to vote. Sometimes if appears as if people from abroad are voting for your kingdom but in fact: They vote for the law that concerns them.

This gives the game a lot of flavour, historical accuracy and complexity but is very difficult to show in our interface. I know... I have reported this very issue couple of months ago until designers explained to me how it works.

 

[prothis]

Ah okay, that answers that. Thanks for the explanation!

But what if, for example, the Duke of the Isles belongs de-facto to the Kingdom of Norway but de-jure to the Kingdom of Scotland? Will he (and his vassals) then only be affected by Scotland's "Crown Authority" setting or Norway's? The latter would make more sense as he really belongs to that kingdom, but in that case he should vote when Norway changes that setting and not Scotland. If the Duke of the Isles is affected by Scotland's Crown Authority setting without being a de-facto part of that kingdom it would mean Norway loses quite a bit of control over it in the sense that it's Crown Authority setting would be overridden by Scotland's.

Maybe this is not such a big deal when just concerning the Duke of the Isles but I can imagine that larger de-facto kingdoms which span several de-jure kingdoms could run into problems when different parts of the de-facto kingdom have different Crown Authority settings imposed on them by the leaders of de-jure kingdoms.

 

[Taijian]

Plus the voting mechanism for law changes seems also to be applied to Elective Succession - de jure vassals who are not de facto part of the realm get to vote for themselves as heir to their de jure liege - whom they refuse to de facto recognize as such...