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I was fighting the Persians and had taken a few provinces. When I tried to offer peace the only thing I could do was to "convert". I don't care if the Persians are Sunni or Shia, I want there provinces! Will it be easier next time, now when we have the same religion or should I go for annexing?
 
Wasn't there a "cancel" option? You press cancel and continue with normal peace negotiations.
 
... añd this way you lost permanent Casus Belli against Persians. Sunni and shiite don't get along very well, you know ;)
 
I actually started a new game. Now I used the cancel button and got to the more well-known option interface. I don't really see the point with force convert an enemy muslim country. They don't seams to get more friendly to you. Maybe they will over time?
 
Originally posted by Galadriel
I actually started a new game. Now I used the cancel button and got to the more well-known option interface. I don't really see the point with force convert an enemy muslim country. They don't seams to get more friendly to you. Maybe they will over time?
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For Sunni/Shia nations it's actually useful, since the conversion is permanent - so, relations will improve, you can RM, ally and eventually diploannex them. And, it gains you a boatload of VPs. Allegedly.
 
Would Persians be so intrested in vassalization anyway??? Seems like a good idea though if you're playing as Persia or Mameluks... quick war on small sunni countries, then fill them with cash and annex away :D But rememver, you lose CB against that country the moment you press that change religion button...

Was it 50VPs???
 
Originally posted by Heyesey


For Sunni/Shia nations it's actually useful, since the conversion is permanent - so, relations will improve, you can RM, ally and eventually diploannex them. And, it gains you a boatload of VPs. Allegedly.
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Is that right? Moslems can't voluntarily convert back?

And how would I know this without reading it here?
 
Yes, they can convert back!

I've forced the true faith of the Prophet on the Persians before (That is, military conversion to Sunni) as the Ottoman empire. After a number of years, they converted back to Shia. Then I annexed them by force, as they had really irritated me. :D Apparently, they can convert back. Also, even if you force the state religion on them to change, their provinces will be Shia. Which means if you diplo-annex them, the provinces are still not in line with the true faith. Same thing happens as CRC and those pesky Protestants. I've forced Holland to change back to Catholicicism, and in a few years they go right back to heresey. Their provinces remained Reformed, so it was the smart move on their part. I've only used forced religion conversion when I need a sudden quick victory that doesn't make me a Bad Boy, or when other people get involved in the war while I'm trying to annex the Persians. They can;t turn down a forced conversion, so I can still say I "won" the war, and go on with my life. :)
 
Originally posted by Admiral Yi

Is that right? Moslems can't voluntarily convert back?

And how would I know this without reading it here?
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All you have to do is start a game with moslem country, lose a war against a shia if you are sunni and vice versa, and lose it bad, wait till you are offered a peace offering force conversion and accept. I'm surprised it never actually happenned to you. :D
 
Originally posted by rOver


All you have to do is start a game with moslem country, lose a war against a shia if you are sunni and vice versa, and lose it bad, wait till you are offered a peace offering force conversion and accept. I'm surprised it never actually happenned to you. :D
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Now I'm completely confused. Heyesey says they can't convert back. SecretMaster says Persia converted back in one of his games. rOver, the paprika king ;), makes an outlandish joke which sheds no light on the matter.
 
Originally posted by Admiral Yi

Now I'm completely confused. Heyesey says they can't convert back. SecretMaster says Persia converted back in one of his games. rOver, the paprika king ;), makes an outlandish joke which sheds no light on the matter.
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Ok since this is the FAQ forum the answer is that some ppl have experienced force converted countries converting back to their original religion and as it is quite difficult to experience that they can't they probably can. They can't cahnge their original religion though (at least Turkey can't)
As for my outlandish humour I guess I'll just have to watch some quality stuff from Holywood. Just to get to the cultural level of those across the Ens. That is a small river, the old border between Hungary and the HRE. It's still Europe but it would be a nice start anyway. ;)
 
Originally posted by rOver


Ok since this is the FAQ forum the answer is that some ppl have experienced force converted countries converting back to their original religion and as it is quite difficult to experience that they can't they probably can. They can't cahnge their original religion though (at least Turkey can't)
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It was this last point that I based my assumption on. Since, when playing a muslim state, you can't convert religion, it didn't make much sense that having force-converted somebody else, they would able to switch back. Apparently they can though, which renders the whole force-conversion option senseless. (I know BiB likes it, but if you can't make it stick, why bother... they'll still be under the correct religious rule if you annex the infidels :D )
 
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