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The purpose of the thread is to discuss and develop revised events for the War of the Roses. As the discussions on this subject are likely to be long and on-going, I want to try to keep them in one place so nothing is lost.
 
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Originally Posted by Ribbon22
I am currently writing some new events for ENG which I hope will give the player a better understanding of both the political situation in ENG during the latter hald of the HYW, the preludes to the WotR and alternative options in shaping the course of the 15th century for ENG.

Thus far, I have an event "The Minority of Henry VI" which occurs upon Henry V's death. The jist of the event is that giving rise to political factionalism that existed before and after the years of Henry VI's personal rule. So, the player is given a choice of effectively granting the authority of the crown to the Royal Council (under guidance of Humphrey with Bedford as Regent i.e. the historical choice) OR granting the authority of the crown to Humphrey, as he so desired.

I'd appreciate thoughts and comments on the immediate consequences of the alternative arrangement. Recall that Humphrey was loyal to Henry VI, and held Bedford in high regard and so should not really be viewed as a potential usurper as his titular successor (the future Richard III) came to be. The struggle was over rulership of England, and not the Regency of FRA. :)

Another event "Richard Plantagenet, duke of York" occurs upon his commission as lieutenant of FRA in 1440. It is a really nice event which ushers in the future champion of the Yorkist cause, before he was a champion, and before he was estranged from Henry VI. :) The event provides some warming background information and would wake the leader 'York' who's enddate would be timed or before the follow-up event 5 years down the road.

The follow-up event "The Lieutenancy of France" would bid York against Edmund Beaufort, earl Somerset for effective generalship of the ENG efforts in FRA in 1445. The description would emphasize the domestic political advantages of removing York and installing Somerset (the historical choice) an would wake Somerset who's date would be pushed forward from 1448 to 1445. Choosing York, however, would sleep at least the Normandy seceding event. The basis being York's actions while lieutenant of France and his reactions to the fall of Montereau in 1437, where he could only be restrained from an impulsive attempt at recovery by the Norman council's refusal to co-operate with the scheme, on grounds that his commission had expired. A York leader would be awakened to last until "St. Alban's" occurs in 1455 and a new event "Dartford" occuring in 1452 would be sleeped.

With the historical choice of Somerset occuring, the next event would be "Dartford" provided "Cades rebellion" has occured, and ENG possessions in FRA are historically meager. The event details York's Articles of Indictment of Somerset, and the subsequent showdown between the King's forces and York's meager retinue at Dartford in 1452. York professes loyalty to Henry VI, who sympathizes to a limited degree, taking York's Artciles seriously yet leaving the arbitration to an appointed board, which subsequently fails to find any closure on the issue, Henry VI exonerates Somerset of any wrongdoing and forcing York to swear an oath of loyalty to Henry. Finally, Somerset and his adjuvents then press the crown case against York's supporters throughout the remainder of the year for their conduct at Dartford, but more importantly, for their alleged participation in Cade's Rebellion and other disturbances throughout Wales and Southern England for the time since.

For Dartford, I am not sure if this event would need choices or not. If so, then what would be the choices and the subsequent consequences?​
Pending on "Dartford", the "Reading Parliament" would follow, where York's adjuvants were judiciously persued - albeit moderately - by Henry VI and Somerset. I had thought that the severity of the response could be graded via choices in this event relating proportional to the amount of gold extracted and the amount of PRR increases.

I am going to leave it at that for now. If there is anyone who considers themsleves to be interested or knowledgable of the circumstances, then I'd very much appreciate the discussion :)
 
Page 1 of the War of the Roses events

Here is the beginning of the new proposed series and is presented in chronological order. There aer many events, too many, in fact, to fit on one post. Thus the remainder of the series is presented in subsequent posts. I'll try to keep all teh events on the first thread page and as close to the top as possible for easy reference. Please, take a look, and post your comments. They are most welcome :)

#Henry VI's Minority

event = {
id = 2100000
random = no
country = ENG

date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1422 }
offset = 60

name = "Henry VI's Minority"
desc = "When King Henry V departed for his last campaign in France, he had appointed his youngest brother, Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester, as Regent during his absence. Whilst Henry lived, this appointment was acceptable to all, because Gloucester was firmly under the Royal Power of his eldest brother and could be called to order if the necessity arose. Whatever his other failings, Gloucester was an intelligent man, and in the last months of King Henry V's reign, he discharged his office dutifully and conscientiously and gave no substantial cause for any complaint. He was one of the most prominent of the heroes of Agincourt and had been severely wounded in that epic battle, which ensured his immense popularity with the common people, and particularly in the City of London. Added to this he was affable, approachable, fond of a good joke, and was a noted patron of letters and learning. He was known to favour the continuation of the war until the French had been well and truly subjugated, a view commonly held by the people who thought that they deserved nothing less. Humphrey's troubles arose out of his personal dealings with the magnates whose responsibility it was to take a hand in the government of the country. They found him quarrelsome and difficult to do deal with and so they disliked and distrusted him. Chief among those who held this view where the two remaining Beaufort brothers, Henry, Bishop of Winchester, and Thomas, Duke of Exeter, who was the infant King's guardian. Henry V had done what he could before his death to arrange for his infant son's rule. By his will Henry's brother John, Duke of Bedford was to control Normandy and fight the war, whilst England was to be ruled by Gloucester, who was to by styled as Lord Protector. However, there was no constitutional precedent regarding the issue. And while Gloucester viewed his brother's dying wishes as his right, in actuality, it was the Lords of the Council who would determine whether or not Gloucester would ever assume this office. Led by Henry Beaufort, the Council resisted Gloucester's wishes, refusing to invest the powers of a Regency in him. Instead, Gloucester was created Protector of the Realm of England, which gave him the positon as King's Chief Councillor, sinking however to the role of Second Councillor whenever his older brother John should be present in England. Thus the council secured their rule of the country despite Henry V's and Gloucester's efforts. Humphrey was deeply insulted by Henry Beaufort's efforts, and would never truly forgive him. Parliament, however, could reverse the Council's decision, and was to meet late in the year. Gloucester then pressed his cause before the Lords to be recognised as Regent of England, basing his claim on his blood relationship to the new king, and the dying wishes of his brother. The Lords, suitably prepared by the two Beaufort brothers and other members of the Council, flatly refused his request. And so parliament backed the Council's wishes and Humphrey's reduced position was confirmed. Nevertheless, England suffered by the death of Henry V and the nominal rule of a baby, less than twelve months old in 1422, would invite discord and frustrate the war effort. The war demanded unity and sacrifice at home, but unity and harmony at home depended largely on the success of the war. The fate of England and indeed of Europe, hangs in the balance..."

action_a = {
name = "The Royal Council shall govern the realms of England"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = ADM which = 3 value = 180 }
command = { type = DIP which = 3 value = 180 }
command = { type = MIL which = 3 value = 180 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100001 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Invest the powers of kingship in Gloucester"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 180 }
command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 180 }
command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 180 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100002 }
}
}

# Jacquelin of Hainaut

event = {
id = 2100001
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
event = 1000002 #'Assassinattion of Jean the Fearless' -> Burgogne
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1424 }
offset = 250
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1425 }

name = "Jacquelin of Hainaut"
desc = "William, Count of Holland and Hainault died in 1417, leaving one daughter, Jacqueline. Jacqueline had been married to the Dauphin who had died only a few weeks before her father. At the time, king Henry V had made overtures for the lady's hand for his brother John, Duke of Bedford, but her mother, the sister of the late Duke of Burgundy, John-the-Fearless, saw to it that the young widow married John, Duke of Brabant, Philip's nephew and who's father had been Duke but was killed by the English at Agincourt. This marriage may well have been void on the grounds of consanguinity, because John and Jacqueline were cousins, but its political justification lay in keeping Hainault within Burgundy's control. Jacqueline had been passed over for the succession to the counties on her father's death in 1417 in favor of her uncle, John of Bavaria. However, the the duke of Brabant had ceded much of Jacquelin's inheritance to the duke of Bavaria in order to settle the dispute. A move which, needless to say, was not received well with Jacquelin. Furious over her dull husband's inability to secure the inheritance, Jacquelin had left him. In 1421, she fled to London, where she met Humphrey, duke of Gloucester, Lord Protector. They fell head-over-heels in love, and announced their intention of getting married despite the misgivings of the Council and Bedford in France. With Pope Martin V they made no progress, and so Gloucester approached the recently displaced Pope Benedict XIII, who was happy to spite Pope Martin, and so granted the anullment. Their marriage secured Gloucester the title of count of Holland, Zeeland and Hainult, albeit at a cost as the Courts of Europe were scandalised by what they had done. The duke of Burgundy was incandescent with rage, and made it clear that he had suffered a grave affront which he felt most deeply. Believing, with good reason, that Jacqueline's inheritance of Hainault would never be surrendered to her peaceably, Humphrey saw seizure by force as the only alternative. despite Bedford's and the Council's warnings. Such a venture into Hainault would be seen as a hostile act against Burgundy herself."

action_a = {
name = "Renounce claims to Jacquelin's inheritance, but privately fund her efforts"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -50 }
}
action_b = {
name = "These lands are rightfully ours!"
command = { type = war which = BUR }
command = { type = war which = HAU }
command = { type = addcore which = 379 } #Artois
command = { type = addcore which = 380 } #Flandern
command = { type = addcore which = 340 } #Zeeland
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -200 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Withdraw the claims altogether and appease Jacquelin with estates in England"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -25 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = 100 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 182002 } #Jacquelin's invasion of Hainaut -> HAU
command = { type = sleepevent which = 213000 } #Jacquelin's invasion of Hainaut -> LUX
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100005 } #Failure in the Lowland Countries ->ENG
}
}

# Jacquelin of Hainaut

event = {
id = 2100002
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
event = 1000002 #'Assassinattion of Jean the Fearless' -> Burgogne
}

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1424 }
offset = 250
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1425 }

name = "Jacquelin of Hainaut"
desc = "William, Count of Holland and Hainault died in 1417, leaving one daughter, Jacqueline. Jacqueline had been married to the Dauphin who had died only a few weeks before her father. At the time, king Henry V had made overtures for the ladies hand for his brother John, Duke of Bedford, but her mother, the sister of the late Duke of Burgundy, John-the-Fearless, saw to it that the young widow married John, Duke of Brabant, Philip's nephew and who's father had been Duke but was killed by the English at Agincourt. This marriage may well have been void on the grounds of consanguinity, because John and Jacqueline were cousins, but its political justification lay in keeping Hainault within Burgundy's control. This had had much appeal to John-the-Fearless, and, after his assassination in 1419, to the new Duke of Burgundy, Philip the Good. Jacqueline had been passed over for the succession to the counties on her father's death in 1417 in favor of her uncle, John of Bavaria. However, the the duke of Brabant had ceded much of Jacquelin's inheritance to the duke of Bavaria in order to settle the dispute. A move which, needless to say, was not received well with Jacquelin. Furious over her dull husband's inability to secure the inheritance, Jacquelin had left him. In 1421, she fled to London, where she met Humphrey, duke of Gloucester. They fell head-over-heels in love, and announced their intention of getting married. With Pope Martin V they made no progress, and so Gloucester approached the recently displaced Pope Benedict XIII, who was happy to spite Pope Martin, and so granted the anullment. Their marriage secured Gloucester the title of count of Holland, Zeeland and Hainult albeit at a cost. The Courts of Europe were scandalised by what they had done. Philip the Good was incandescent with rage, and made it clear that he had suffered a grave affront which he felt most deeply. Believing, with good reason, that Jacqueline's inheritance of Hainault would never be surrendered to her peaceably, Humphrey saw seizure by force as the only alternative. The Council was finding that it was not so easy as they had hoped to keep Humphrey in order, but warned him in no uncertain terms that any such a venture into Hainault would be seen as a hostile act against Burgundy herself."

action_a = {
name = "Denounce Gloucester's actions...alas, there is little we can do to stop that fool."
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -50 }
}
action_b = {
name = "These lands are rightfully ours!"
command = { type = war which = BUR }
command = { type = addcore which = 379 } #Artois
command = { type = addcore which = 380 } #Flandern
command = { type = addcore which = 340 } #Zeeland
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -100 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Withdraw Gloucester's claims altogether"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = 50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 182002 } #Jacquelin's invasion of Hainaut -> HAU
command = { type = sleepevent which = 213000 } #Jacquelin's invasion of Hainaut -> LUX
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100005 } #Failure in the Lowland Countries ->ENG
}
}

# Jacquelin of Hainaut

event = {
id = 2100003
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
NOT = {
event = 1000002 #'Assassinattion of Jean the Fearless' -> Burgogne
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1424 }
offset = 250
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1425 }

name = "Jacquelin of Hainaut"
desc = "William, Count of Holland and Hainault died in 1417, leaving one daughter, Jacqueline. Jacqueline had been married to the Dauphin who had died only a few weeks before her father. At the time, king Henry V had made overtures for the ladies hand for his brother John, Duke of Bedford, but her mother, the sister of the duke of Burgundy, John-the-Fearless, saw to it that the young widow married John, Duke of Brabant, nephew of John's son nephew and who's father had been Duke but was killed by the English at Agincourt. This marriage may well have been void on the grounds of consanguinity, because John and Jacqueline were cousins, but its political justification lay in keeping Hainault within Burgundy's control. Jacqueline had been passed over for the succession to the counties on her father's death in 1417 in favor of her uncle, John of Bavaria. However, the the duke of Brabant had ceded much of Jacquelin's inheritance to the duke of Bavaria in order to settle the dispute. A move which, needless to say, was not received well with Jacquelin. Furious over her dull husband's inability to secure the inheritance, Jacquelin had left him. In 1421, she fled to London, where she met Humphrey, duke of Gloucester. They fell head-over-heels in love, and announced their intention of getting married. With Pope Martin V they made no progress, and so Gloucester approached the recently displaced Pope Benedict XIII, who was happy to spite Pope Martin, and so granted the anullment. Their marriage secured Gloucester the title of count of Holland, Zeeland and Hainult albeit at a cost. The Courts of Europe were scandalised by what they had done. The duke of Burgundy was incandescent with rage, and made it clear that he had suffered a grave affront which he felt most deeply. Believing, with good reason, that Jacqueline's inheritance of Hainault would never be surrendered to her peaceably, Humphrey saw seizure by force as the only alternative..."

action_a = {
name = "Renounce claims to Jacquelin's inheritance, but privately fund her efforts"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -50 }
}
action_b = {
name = "These lands are rightfully ours!"
command = { type = war which = BUR }
command = { type = war which = HAU }
command = { type = addcore which = 379 } #Artois
command = { type = addcore which = 380 } #Flandern
command = { type = addcore which = 340 } #Zeeland
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = -100 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Withdraw the claims altogether and appease Jacquelin with estates in England"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -25 }
command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = HAU value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = BUR value = 50 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 182002 } #Jacquelin's invasion of Hainault ->HAU
command = { type = sleepevent which = 213000 } #Jacquelin's invasion of Hainault ->LUX
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100005 } #Failure in the Lowland Countries ->ENG
}
}

#Failure in the Lowland Countries

event = {
id = 2100004
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
NOT = {
war = { country = HAU country = ENG }
}
OR = {
NOT = {
owned = { province = 340 data = -1 }
}
NOT = {
owned = { province = 379 data = -1 }
}
NOT = {
owned = { province = 380 data = -1 }
}
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1428 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1429 }

name = "Failure in the Lowland Countries"
desc = "Without sufficient military presence, Gloucester's attempt to reclaim Jacquelin's inheritance could not succeed. With mounting pressure from the English Council and the Duke of Burgundy, Gloucester was forced to withdraw his forces. Gloucester, facing humilation at home and a strong desire to distance himself from Jacquelin and the whole debacle, rejected his love in favour of one her servants, who stayed in England, whilst Jacquelin, a broken woman was forced to leave for the continent to face her rivals alone."

action_a = {
name = "Ok"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = removecore which = 340 }
command = { type = removecore which = 379 }
command = { type = removecore which = 380 }
command = { type = vp value = -50 }
}
}

#Richard, Duke of York

event = {
id = 2100005
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
OR = {
owned = { province = 382 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 383 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 384 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 410 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 412 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 413 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 417 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 418 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 419 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 423 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 424 data = -1 }
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1439 }
offset = 120

name = "Richard, Duke of York"
desc = "The Duke of York was the son of Richard, Earl of Cambridge and Anne Mortimer. York inherited his title from his paternal grandfather, Edmund of Langely, who was the fourth surviving son of the great Edward III. Cambridge had been executed for treason by King Henry V on the eve of Henry's initial expedition to France in 1415, leaving York an orphan at the age of four. York's paternal uncle, Edward, then duke of York, was killed at Agincourt shortly thereafter, leading the English vanguard against the French cavalry in the opening phases of the battle. Perhaps it was Edward's loyalty and courageous actions at Agincourt that saved his nephew from an early political demise, but certainly by enfeofing his estates to his supporters and trusted lords, Edward had helped to secure his young nephew's eventual recovery of the lands of York. Tragically, Anne had passed away soon after Richard was born, but through her the vast Mortimer estates eventually fell into York's hands. Furthermore, Anne decended directly from Lionel of Antwerp, the second surviving son of Edward III. Thus, York had an excellent claim on the throne of England, a claim that was arguably better than Henry's. In time, Richard was to become the richest and greatest magnate in England. Despite the questionable actions of his ancestors, he had served as Henry VI's constable during his visit to France and was later created lieutenant general of France and Normandy from 1436-37, after Bedford's death. Although York would be displaced by the aging Beauchamp earl of Warwick, two years later York was once more driven into the problems of French policy when Warwick passed away. A successor had to be found who would be sensitive to the conflicting political views held by Gloucester and Beaufort in the Council. The new lieutenant needed to be of sufficient social status, and, of the modest number of possible candidates, York was the most promising. The duke of Gloucester was anxious to secure the post, but the Beaufort group successfully resisted. Richard had experience, the landed resources from which to raise fresh troops, and had shown himself willing to listen to advice."

action_a = {
name = "Ok"
command = { type = wakeleader which = 09336 } #York
command = { type = treasury value = 50 }
command = { type = INF which = -1 value = 7500 }
command = { type = CAV which = -3 value = 2000 }
}
}

#The Lieutenancy of France

event = {
id = 2100006
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
OR = {
owned = { province = 382 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 383 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 384 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 410 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 412 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 413 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 417 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 418 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 419 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 423 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 424 data = -1 }
vassal = { country = ENG country = EIR }
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = september year = 1445 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1446 }

name = "The Lieutenancy of France"
desc = "York had received a summons to parliament and his presence was necessitated by Henry VI's determination for a lasting peace with France. The clause of the Treaty of Troyes which required parliamentary ratification of any subsequent Anglo-French treaty was nullified, thereby giving diplomatic carte blanche to Henry, but the chancellor was also clear, in his declaration on behalf of all the lords that this policy was the king's alone. Henry's determination to press ahead with his policy placed York in considerable political difficulty. The policy was unpopular in France, and would be actively resisted. York's own council in France was uncooperative, and his councillors in England were highly critical. In the meantime, Adam Moleyns, keeper of the privy seal, had charged York of favouritism in the payment of some soldiers, non-payment of others, and general mismanagement to the detriment of the French duchy. York would retort with charges of his own against Moleyns. Despite York's having received public recognition of his services in an act of parliament, public charges of mismanagement were obviously unwelcome from any source, and it was especially disconcerting that they had been pressed by a royal councillor very close to Suffolk and therefore, to the king. Thus, when York sought due payment from the exchequer for his services he found his inquiries deflected, and within the year, his positon was given to Edmund Beaufort. Recent Beaufort enterprises into France could scarcely generate confidence in the new appointment amongst York's councillors, and it was assumed that Edmund had been appointed to further a peace policy. To compound the issue, York had taken part in council discussions surrounding over the surrender of certain English holdings in France, to which he had demonstrated an outright hostility towards any conciliatory concessions to France as well as several financial settlements made on the Beauforts. Shortly thereafter, a Royal patent created York lieutenant of Ireland. Though the assignment may have been an attempt to politically isolate him, York's efforts in Ireland would prove to be effective. Once York established himself in Meath, he had received the submission of forty-two Irish leaders, restoring a degree of stability and order to the provinces, if only for a while..."

action_a = {
name = "Send York to Ireland"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 231 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 232 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 233 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 234 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 235 value = 1 }
command = { type = wakeleader which = 09340 } #Somerset
command = { type = setflag which = lan_1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Keep York in France"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = treasury value = -25 }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -50 }
command = { type = wakeleader which = 149999 } #York
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000046 } #"Rouen is Lost!"
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000047 } #"Normandy is Lost!"
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000048 } #"Picardie is Lost!"
command = { type = sleepevent which = 1000049 } #"Anjou is Lost!"
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100009 } #'Dartford'
command = { type = setflag which = yor_1 }
}
}

#Suffolk's Impeachment

event = {
id = 2100007
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
domestic = { type = aristocracy value = 7 }
OR = {
event = 1000045 #Weakening of the English Positions in France ->ENG
event = 1000025 #Concecration of Charles VII -> BOU
}
NOT = {
domestic = { type = centralization value = 9 }
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = november year = 1449 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1450 }

name = "Suffolk's Impeachment"
desc = "Parliament had been pre-maturely dissolved by Henry earlier in the year due to their determination to impose an Act of Resumption on the king and the Commons' unwillingness to grant Henry further taxation without it. By this time, public hostility and opposition to Henry VI's regime was high and there were several uprisings which had to be putdown. In a subsequent parliament, and in these circumstances the Commons adopted the procedure of impeachment and used it against Henry's corrupted Chief Councillor Suffolk, challenging the whole policy of the government. Henry himself openly favoured the accused, who made an emotional appeal to his king. Despite the Commons desire for indictment and due process of impeachment, and with rioting and unrest plaguing Suffolk's trial, Henry interfered, sentencing his minister to exile without any formal verdict. In so doing, Henry had flagrantly excercised the royal prerogative in defiance of the parliamentary proceedings. Nevertheless, the harsh punishment which the Commons had failed to obtain was to be provided by the commonality. Suffolk, on his way to exile, was beheaded by an Irishman with six strokes of a rusty sword. Although Suffolk was dead, the Commons would not forget Henry's attempt to save him, no more than they would retreat from the battle for Resumption. The king, far from submitting, resisted parliaments efforts until it was eventually agreed that Henry would reserve the right to exempt those whom he alone felt deserved such status, from the acts of resumption subject to all of Henry's grants from the moment he assumed the throne on his fathers death. Needless to say, many of Henry's lancastrian supporters would find themsleves quite content, some even managed to gain from the act."

action_a = {
name = "Proclaim Suffolk neither guilty nor innocent, exile him, and resist Resumption"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 244 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 245 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 250 value = -1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Proceed with Suffolk's Impeachment, and agree to Resumption"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = treasury value = 100 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 244 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 245 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 250 value = -3 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100008 } #Cade's Rebellion
}
action_c = {
name = "Proclaim Suffolk Innocent, and refuse Resumption"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 3 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2100010 } #Reading Parliament
}
}

#Cade's rebellion

event = {
id = 2100008
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
event = 1000045 #Weakening of the English Positions in France ->ENG
NOT = {
owned = { province = 484 data = -1 } #Caux
owned = { province = 413 data = -1 } #Normandy
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1450 }
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1451 }

name = "Cade's Rebellion"
desc = "Throughout Suffolk's trial there were numerous uprisings. Adam Moleyns, keeper of the Privy Seal, who'd attacked York's credibility a few years earlier, was murdered early in the new year by soldiers awaiting transportation to France, and Cuthbert Colville, an esquire in York's service in Normandy, had been party to the deed. William Aiscough, Bishop of Salisbury was torn to pieces by his own parishioners, he'd been dragged from the church at Edington where he was saying Mass and murdered on a nearby hill in Wiltshire. It was widely held that both were covetous men, much hated by the common people, and held to have promoted Gloucester's death three years prior. A formidable and pro-Yorkist movement of Kentishmen revolted against the policies of Henry VI led by Jack Cade who called himself Mortimer, a former soldier. The majority of the participants were yeomen, husbandmen and craftsmen and small landowners from Kent, who objected to forced labour, corrupt courts, the arbitrary seizure of land by nobles, the loss of royal lands in France, and heavy taxation. Led by Cade the rebellion defeated a government force sent to disperse them, and entered London. The aims of the rebels were political rather than social, and a draft of their Proclamation of Grievances was heavily circulated throughout England which had called for the return of the duke of York and an end to the poor governance of Suffolk and his hated affinity."

action_a = {
name = "Traitorous rebel pigs!"
command = { type = revolt which = 248 }
command = { type = revolt which = 248 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 244 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 245 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 250 value = -1 }
}
}

Lord Tarleton said:
The purpose of the thread is to discuss and develop revised events for the War of the Roses. As the discussions on this subject are likely to be long and on-going, I want to try to keep them in one place so nothing is lost.
good idea. :)

I'm sure no one wants to leave the War of the Roses (WotR) entirely to me, so those of you with a hankerin' for some English factionalism best step up. :D

I'll start with a list of the events, then move to monarchs and leaders. I've proposed that the tags YOR and LAN be utilized for the WotR, and so their revolt.txt definitions will need to be discussed aswell. I'm sure there will be objections to the assignment of provinces to each side, but hopefully we can iron out any dificulties with a solid debate.

One of the aims of the new series will be to create a more in-depth depiction of the civil war, and to draw the player into the nitty gritty of the Lancastrian and Yorkist struggle. I want you to be hunting down your opposition and beheading them all on the field of battle like the bloodthirsty Plantaganet that you are.
 
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ribbon22 said:
I'm sure no one wants to leave the War of the Roses (WotR) entirely to me, so those of you with a hankerin' for some English factionalism best step up. :D
Have you ever seen the movie, "Field of Dreams"? I recall a line from it, "If you build it, they will come". I suspect the comments will be limited until you put forward how and what you want to script. The post of yours I chose to start the thread with isn't very controversial. :)
ribbon22 said:
I'll start with a list of the events, then move to monarchs and leaders. I've proposed that the tags YOR and LAN be utilized for the WotR, and so their revolt.txt definitions will need to be discussed aswell. I'm sure there will be objections to the assignment of provinces to each side, but hopefully we can iron out any dificulties with a solid debate.
You have my full support in regards to using and developing the tags for Lancaster and York. I don't see this as very controversial either, myself.
 
Page 2 of the proposed new 'War of the Roses' events

#Dartford

event = {
id = 2100009
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
event = 2000007 #Suffolk's Impeachment
NOT = {
owned = { province = 484 data = -1 } #Caux
owned = { province = 413 data = -1 } #Normandy
}
}
date = { day = 2 month = march year = 1452 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1452 }

name = "Dartford"
desc = "Though the Duke of York had been in Ireland, it was widely speculated that he had played an instrumental role in the uprisings of the past two years. York's advisors and councillors were accused of indirect, if not direct, participation in the unrest and rebellion. The primary focus of Somerset's anger fell on William Oldhall. Subsequently, Somerset had ordered Oldhall's arrest and had forced Oldhall too flee to St. Martins, where he took sanctuary. Although Oldhall was forcably taken from St. Martins earlier in the year on the behest of Beaufort, Henry's conscience must have played a part in his release several days thereafter. In the meantime, York had maintained his innocence, and indeed was alarmed by the pressures placed on his chamberlain. Believing it to be a matter of his own survival aswell as the nation's, he had decided to march on the king and have the duke of Somerset removed from office and placed under arrest. Through his repeated professions of loyalty to king Henry, York declared his actions to be in no way directed against the king. A letter similar in content was circulated to most of the towns of southern England, and within days, several had forwarded copies to the king. Henry bade them ignore it and obey only royal proclamations. In the meantime, the political situation deteriorated further. York prepared to move in all haste, gathering tenants and retainers from his estates spread across southern England, and marched to London. Henry, unlike York, enjoyed the support of some sixteen lords with him, including the dukes of Buckingham, Norfolk and Exeter amd made his way to Barnet. Throughout the various communicative efforts that followed, York maintained his loyalty, stressing that his targets were traitors. Outnumbered, York decided to make for a sympathetic Kent, where he hoped to add to his own retinue. However, Henry countered this move, and arrived in Kent the day after York, leaving the duke no time to recruit. Equally as important, Henry was now accompanied by the dukes of Salisbury, Warwick and Somerset who'd brought their own contigents. The king's forces and those of York met at Dartford, where York would have to hold the field with the forces available, knowing they were insufficient to coerce the issue. And so, it was at Dartford that York, the earl of Devon, and Cobham, after some negotiations, presented articles against the duke of Somerset, kneeling before the king to do so..."

action_a = {
name = "Accept York's articles and establish an arbitration panel"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Arrest York and commit him to the Tower at once!"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 3 }
command = { type = setflag which = lan_2 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Sieze Somerset instead!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = setflag which = yor_2 }
}
}

#The Reading Parliament

event = {
id = 2100010
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
}
date = { day = 2 month = march year = 1453 }
offset = 150
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1453 }

name = "The Reading Parliament"
desc = "Following Dartford, a panel of arbitrators were created to settle the dispute between the two dukes, and York was made to recite publicly an oath of loyalty to the king at St Pauls. The articles which York presented against Edmund Beaufort, duke of Somerset was designed to show that the political unrest in England was result of the king's failure to punish those who had lost France. It was undoubtedly a dificult case to promote, and the articles submitted do not establish the causal connection fully or convincingly. Charges that Somerset had put up an inadequate resistance in France, reducing garrisons and failing to pay soldiers wages could be explained by a chronic shortage of exchequer funds. The strongest points, and those which carried the most substance, lay in his surrendering of fortresses not then beseiged, and an allegation that Somerset had kept 72,000 francs, then given him to pass on as compensation to those who lost rights and property on the surrender of Anjou and Maine. Regardless, to be obliged to take an oath was humilating enough, and for the duke of York, there was little chance of saving face. Moreover, the panel of arbitrators was to be appointed by the king, and were subsequently weighted in favour of Somerset. The Crown was not without its share of legal idictments. Although most of the Yorkists supporters at Dartford would be pardoned, many were put on show trials to demonstrate the majesty of the king, the political pre-eminence of the duke of Somerset, and the political feebleness of the duke of York, powerless to save those on whom he depended, their salvation instead, to rest on the benign mercy of the king. Well over two thousand pardons were granted, as such was the scope of the Yorkist support and of the civil unrest in England. Not everyone escaped such terms however. Many of the gentry found themsleves stripped of their landed possessions, and ultimately, attained in a series of parliamentary sessions culminating in the infamous 'Reading Paliament'. In the meantime, despite the strong showing of support from the nobles at Dartford, trouble continued for the Lancastrian regime for the remainder of the year, as rebellions broke out in many shires and treasonous conspiracies were discovered in Yorkshire and Suffolk. Despite these instances of discontent, it was clear that the house of Lancaster had received the loyal support of the English nobility at Dartford in a sheer display of strength. York, fortunate to escape any formal charges of treason, was to be confined to his estates indefinately."

action_a = {
name = "Favour Lancastrians"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 50 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 244 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 250 value = -1 }
command = { type = setflag which = lan_3 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Favour Yorkists"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 244 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 250 value = -2 }
command = { type = setflag which = yor_3 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Favour neither Lancastrians nor Yorkists"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 150 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 244 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = -2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 250 value = -2 }
}
}

#King Henry's Illness

event = {
id = 2100011
random = no
country = ENG

date = { day = 1 month = august year = 1453 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1454 }

name = "King Henry's Illness"
desc = "The king, who was proposing on July 27th to embark on a campaign of law enforcement in the provinces, had fallen ill and in this episode rendered catatonic. Somerset and his adjuvents did their best to conceal Henry's condition from the public. Nevertheless, as time progressed, the council could no longer hide Henry's absense and it soon became clear to all that his recovery could not be predicted. Thus, a Great Council was summoned late in October to which Somerset attempted to exclude York. However, on October 23rd, the duke of Salisbury and his son, the earl of Warwick intervened and sent for York through the agency of Sir Thomas Tyrell with instructions elluding to the fact that York was to be allowed to press his charges against Somerset. The Arbitration panel had failed to reach a decision in Somerset's case, and though York had been stripped of several of his lands, Henry had delayed with dispensing his ultimate judgement. To remedy the situation, a series of parliament and council meetings began in November and continued on through April of 1454. Initially, there were at least forty-six peers in London, and they jointly agreed to supress lawlessness and not sustain each other in any lawless act. With the support of Norfolk, York had Somerset arrested and confined to the Tower. However, attempts to resolve issues of executive authority were delayed, mainly by Cardinal Kemp, Henry's Chancelor who desperately hoped Henry would revover in the meantime. Matters were further complicated when the Queen submitted a bill of five articles, demanding the she be invested with powers of a regent, together with sufficient livelihood for the king, the newborn Prince Edward, and herself. The queen wished to create a household government excersising the role of military protector of the king and prince, with sufficeint income to sustain its authority and a royal power to be exercized on its behalf by the queen herself. Fortunately for the Yorkists, Kemp passed away while Council and parliament continued to mull over the queens proposal. On the following day, the Lords sought a sign of recovery from the king, and finding none, moved to establish York as Protector of the Realm. York would make was not without his share of further difficulties, especially in the north, where Neville hostility towards the Percies would find several violent outlets. The duke of Exeter's bid for York's position, would further distract the proceedings, nevertheless, York would manage to secure a degree of stability throughout the realm and would appoint the earl of Salisbury as Chancelor."

action_a = {
name = "Welcome York, Protector of the Realm!"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = ADM which = 3 value = 12 }
command = { type = MIL which = 3 value = 12 }
command = { type = DIP which = 3 value = 12 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
command = { type = setflag which = yor_4 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Grant the queen a Regency instead"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = ADM which = -1 value = 12 }
command = { type = MIL which = -1 value = 12 }
command = { type = DIP which = -1 value = 12 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 3 }
command = { type = setflag which = lan_4 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Grant Exeter the Protectorate"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = ADM which = 1 value = 12 }
command = { type = MIL which = 1 value = 12 }
command = { type = DIP which = 1 value = 12 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 2 }
command = { type = setflag which = lan_4 }
}
}

#St. Albans

event = {
id = 2100012
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
NOT = {
OR = {
AND = {
flag = yor_1
flag = yor_2
flag = yor_3
flag = yor_4
}
AND = {
flag = lan_1
flag = lan_2
flag = lan_3
flag = lan_4
}
}
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1455 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1455 }

name = "St. Albans"
desc = "Just as suddenly as Henry had had suffered his mental breakdown, he became well again. During his episode, the queen had given birth to a boy, whom they had named Edward. The birth of a son strengthened the Lancastrian dynasty, but it hardly improved the immediate prospects for the realm, or for Richard of York. York was natrurally displaced as heir presumptive to the throne. With king Henry's recovery, the Lancastrians sized the opportunity to isolate the Yorkists. Warwick, Salisbury and Devon, known Yorksits sympathizers fell to disfavour while the Lancastrians further profited at Yorkists expense. Fearing Henry's possible relapse, Somerset moved to settle the form of government to take place in such an event, and to this end, the summons of a Great Council to Leicester would be essential to give authority and dissemination to any proposed settlement. Duke Richard had to prevent the Great Council from taking place. The duke of York retired north and, together with his Neville allies, no less alarmed than he, and raised forces. Upon learning of York's actions, Henry sent a deputation to York, but the emissaries were simply detained. Whether because of their failure to return, or some other military intelligence, Somerset woke up to the scale of York's military preperations and, accordingly, sent out summons far and wide. Within days, Henry and his loyal followers set out for Leicester. The Yorkists, however, intercepted the king's army en route, just north of London, near a town called St. Albans. Learning of York's location, Henry decided to relieve Somerset of his command, and appoint Buckingham in his stead. Follwing Buckingham's advice, they sought to negotate. The move for change in leadership was likely motivated by Henry's strong desire to avoid conflict, and Buckingham was certainly a much more personable candidate than Somerset to negotiate with York, to whom he was related. For Somerset this was a most unwelcome dvelopment, as negotiations could only concern his own fate. Henry and Buckingham's confidence in their strategy was boosted when the royal party were able to enter St. Albans unmolested, despite the town's potential for defence, the Yorkists having arrived earlier in the morning. The dukes of York and Buckingham entered into serious negotiations immediately, however, both were hampered by other issues. Somerset was deliberately provacative while York was restrained, confining his request to the points at issue between himself and Somerset, but he was again hampered by the ambiguous behaviour of the duke of Norfolk. York's insistence on the charges against Somerset put Buckingham in an impossible position, however, for as full as Buckingham's powers were, he could not concede what the king had already denied, regardless, Somerset would scarcely be expected to co-operate. Warwick grasped the point and opened the fighting while the last embers of negotiation still flickered. Once the fighting had started there was no turning back. The king's banner was displayed, marking York and his supporters traitors, defeat now meant death and forfeiture. At some point during the battle, Warwick took a small contigent of archers and men-at-arms and flanked the Lancastrian forces. They entered the town through a gap in the Lancastrian defence and surprised the king's household retainers. In the ensuing struggle, Somerset was cut down with a pole-axe as were Lord Clifford and Northumberland. Henry and Buckingham were wounded, and would withdraw. The Yorkists found themselves the victors, located the helpless king, whereun they proffessed their loyalty to Henry, and escourted him to Westminster."

action_a = {
name = "Ok"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 244 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 245 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = -2 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 250 value = -2 }
}
}

#The Second Protectorate

event = {
id = 2100013
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
event = 2100012 #St Albans
}
date = { day = 1 month = september year = 1455 }
offset = 90
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1456 }

name = "The Second Protectorate"
desc = "At St Albans York had fought to be rid of Somerset. Arguably, he had to, as Somerset sought his political demise. Since the first seeds of jealousy were sown in 1440 at York's appointment to the French lieutenancy, English politics had swung increasingly uncontrollably from the one interest group to the other. Somerset was not a great duke, and without Henry he could have easily been brushed aside by York. However, the king was insufficiently ruthless to completely sever his ties to Somerset, as Ministers who loyally discharged Henry's policies were loyally supported in return. Immediately after the battle, Henry could have readily been killed behind closed doors with no witnesses to survive. Thus, the throne was not imperilled at St Albans. Neverthless, the royal standard had been abandoned during the engagement and Henry and his kingdom were in York's hands. In the months that ensued, instability had reigned, and so when parliament and Council met, it was largely concerned with restoring a degree of authority throughout the realm. Order was gradually restored, and a return of a favourable House of Commons brought the plums of victory to the Yorkists, though York took little reward for himself. The lords, however, made no progress in settling their various quarrels. For those who had been at St Albans there was an urgent need for a full, authorative, and final exoneration, such that they would be actionable in neither the criminal not the civil courts. The act which resulted was structured around the declarations of loyalty made before the battle itself. In casting Somerset as the traitor and the king as misinformed, St Albans became a loyal action, and by repeating, and enrolling, the letters written before the battle, York was, in effect, making a profuse declaration of loyalty to the house of Lancaster. Whatever the truth of his loyalties at St Albans, at Parliament he was the loyal subject of the rightful king, and this loyalty he publicly affirmed by an act of personal homage before Henry, and was followed in this by every other peer present. These apparent conciliatory actions brought some immediate assurance of York's loyalty, but it did nothing to dispose of the other legacy of St Albans, the internecine rivarly of the great families. It was simply beyond the power of the Upper House to heal their divisions. The need for the protectorship was soon pressed by the Commons, and York was the unanimous choice. The opposition were either dead, or browbeaten into submission. Or so it seemed..."

action_a = {
name = "The Yorkists now dominate your majesty's government!"
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = ADM which = 4 value = 3 }
command = { type = MIL which = 4 value = 3 }
command = { type = DIP which = 4 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
}
}

#York Resigns and the Queen stages a coup

event = {
id = 2100014
random = no
country = ENG
trigger = {
event = 2100012 #St Albans
event = 2100013 #The Second Protectorate
}
date = { day = 1 month = march year = 1456 }
offset = 180
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1457 }

name = "York's Resignation and the Queen's Coup..."
desc = "The terms of York's protectorate were similar to those imposed a few years earlier, however, Henry's deteriorated physical condition had warranted the introduction of an additional clause. Although York was to excercice authority with conciliar agreement, he was to be dismissed only upon consent of the lords themselves, in parliament. The duration of first protectorate had been at the disgression of an enfeebled, catatonic monarch. Currently, Henry was not considered ill, and the need was to allow the lords to determine when the circumstances had arisen which would terminate the need for York's services. In typical medievil fashion they gave one definition of these, the majority of the prince of Wales, but the lords in Parliament were not anticipating so long a period. York had done well during his protectorate, however, during the second parliamentary session, the Commons had pressed for further resumption of the King's lands. York, with a favourable Lower House, lent his support for such an act which did not bode well with the lords. Thus, York found himself in a precarious position. With dissension at court and in parliament, and facing an increasingly hostile nobility, York resigned and soon retreated to his estates in Yorkshire. The lords once again supported Henry, if only to defend their lands from resumption. The realm meanwhile, would be racked with a series of revolts and skirmishes between feuding nobles. The government was itself going through a process of upheaval. The queen had already determined to establish herself, together with the prince and their respective households, in the west Midlands, and Henry soon joined them. For the next four years England was to be governed from Coventry, but with the routine bureaucratic functions still discharged in Westminster. It was during this turbulent period that the queen held a council meeting, and taking the reins of Henry's household, staged a coup. She dismissed the chancellor, treasurer and privy seal and replaced them with Lancastrian supporters. The Yorkists were now isolated, and thus joined York in the north. The Lancastrians could now safely seek their vengeance, and would make several unsuccessful attempts on the lives of Salisbury, York and Warwick. Indeed, the battle lines had been drawn and England stood on the brink of civil war...whom shall you command when the call for battle is made?"

action_a = {
name = "Yorkists..."
command = { type = country which = YOR }
command = { type = independence which = LAN }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2100015 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Lancastrians..."
command = { type = country which = LAN }
command = { type = independence which = YOR }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2100018 }
}
}
 
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My opinion about the this topic:

War of the Roses was a result of the following factors:

1. Loss of war in France.
2. Inability of Henry VI to govern (he would make an excellent monk but was useless as a king).
3. Dynastic claims of York (but they will not be important if Henry VI was a competent monarch).

So, IMHO the War of the Roses event should be very much interconnected with the HYW. If England will manage to win the war outright (crush Dauphine and not allow France to emerge) or even keep a number of French provinces then War of the Roses would be different.
Actually it could be like this:

Case 1 (historical): France appears and England keeping 1-2 provinces only. Then WOtR goes as it should.
Case 2: England has 4-5 provinces or even managed to crush France (+ control of Ile-de-France). Then it could be a possibility of York making a bid for the French crown as well and war going in England and in France.

About the events, they IMHO quite good. Just some thoughts:

a) If England would support Jacquelin of Hainaut it should actually trigger war with the Burgundy. Philippe the Good would not agree to give up Holland, Zeeland and Hainaut.
b) One of the main complains against the Henry VI was that he gave a lot of crown lands to his favorites, which eventually brought crown to bankruptcy. York as well as commons ask king many times to take these lands back but without success. I would put the following event dated by 1451:

#The Commons petition
event = {
id = 2000010
random = no
country = ENG

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1451
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1451 }

name = "The Commons petitions"
desc = " The house of commons supported by York and Norfolk asked Henry VI to retrieve the lands which he unwisely gave to his favorites in order to make crown financially sound again."

action_a = {
name = "I will not betray my friends !"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
}
action_b = {
name = "People of England are right"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 200 }
}

}
 
Leader List


############
#Yorkists
############

#Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 150000 }
category = monarch
name = "York" #Richard, duke of York#
startdate = {
year=1455
}
deathdate = {
day = 30
month = december
year = 1460
}
rank = 0
movement = 4
fire = 3
shock = 4
siege = 0
dormant = yes
}

#Richard Neville, Duke of Salisbury

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 150001 }
category = general
name = "Salisbury" #Richard Neville, Duke of Salisbury#
startdate = {
year = 1455
}
deathdate = {
day = 31
month = december
year = 1460
}
rank = 1
movement = 4
fire = 4
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = yes
}

#Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, son of Richard Neville, duke of Salisbury

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 150002 }
category = general
name = "Warwick" #Richard Neville#
startdate = {
year = 1455
}
deathdate = {
year = 1468
}
rank = 2
movement = 3
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = yes
}

#Edward Plantagenet, York's son

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 150003 }
category = monarch
name = "Edward" #Edward Plantagenet, York's son#
startdate = {
day = 10
month = july
year = 1460
}
deathdate = {
day = 4
month = april
year = 1471
}
rank = 0
movement = 5
fire = 4
shock = 5
siege = 0
dormant = yes
}

###################
#Lancasters
###################

#Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Buckingham

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 150010 }
category = general
name = "Buckingham"
startdate = {
year = 1455
}
deathdate = {
day = 10
month = july
year = 1460
}
rank = 1
movement = 2
fire = 4
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = yes
}

#Henry Beaufort, Duke of Somerset, son of Edmund Beaufort, Duke of Somerset

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 150011 }
category = general
name = "Somerset"
startdate = {
year = 1455
}
deathdate = {
day = 10
month = may
year = 1464
}
rank = 1
movement = 4
fire = 3
shock = 3
siege = 0
dormant = yes
}

#Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland, son of Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland

historicalleader = {
id = { type = 6 id = 150012 }
category = general
name = "Northumberland"
startdate = {
year = 1455
}
deathdate = {
day = 29
month = march
year = 1461
}
rank = 2
movement = 3
fire = 2
shock = 2
siege = 0
dormant = yes
}

MichaelK said:
War of the Roses was a result of the following factors:

1. Loss of war in France.
2. Inability of Henry VI to govern (he would make an excellent monk but was useless as a king).
3. Dynastic claims of York (but they will not be important if Henry VI was a competent monarch).

So, IMHO the War of the Roses event should be very much interconnected with the HYW. If England will manage to win the war outright (crush Dauphine and not allow France to emerge) or even keep a number of French provinces then War of the Roses would be different.
which provinces must ENG own in order to alter the WotR? And if we cannot decide on which specific provinces, then how many? Below you state 1-2. Are there any other opinions on this?

Recall that the loss of Normandy was the biggest kick in the teeth for the Lancastrian Regime. That fact is easily surmizable when we compare reactions to the loss of Normandy (1450) to the loss of Gascone (1435). The Commons's fed up with a half-century long battle for a significant Act of Resumption which is apparently getting them nowehere, it seems they go ape-shit all over southern ENG, where Henry is warned on two seperate occasions and acounts via rumour and letter 'rebel manifesto-type' circulation that the duke of York is about to land with an army from Ireland to claim Henry's throne. Nothing could be further from the truth, however, and although the duke brings a retinue when he sails from Ireland, that is really nothing special, he leaves Ireland because, despite having received homage from multitudes of the Anglo-Irish, and Irish 'nobles', the situation is getting precarious and York is severely underfunded. Henry however, over reacts, knowing that Moleyn has been murdered (Moleyn having smeared York's reputation) and has granted a commissions of oyer on several of York's estates, apparently because Henry wishes to grant them to his favourites. York, on the other hand, receives word that he's been accused of treason and that Oldhall is to be tried of treason also. Henry denies that the latter accusation has been levied against York, but says nothing of the commission. Henry, still alarmed, then sends troops and ordered several ports to refuse York, which comply, forcing York to land in 'friendlier territory'.
MichaelK said:
Actually it could be like this:

Case 1 (historical): France appears and England keeping 1-2 provinces only. Then WOtR goes as it should.
Case 2: England has 4-5 provinces or even managed to crush France (+ control of Ile-de-France). Then it could be a possibility of York making a bid for the French crown as well and war going in England and in France.
I agree with Case 1. Case 2 leaves us alot of room for speculation and educated guessing. If you don't mind, can you think of any specific situations that may arise? How would a partial victory in France affect some of the landmark events in ENG such as Dartford, Cade's Rebellion, St. Albans?...for that matter would York receive the support of the nobles during Henry's illness to give rise to his being created protector?
MichaelK said:
Just some thoughts:

a) If England would support Jacquelin of Hainaut it should actually trigger war with the Burgundy. Philippe the Good would not agree to give up Holland, Zeeland and Hainaut.
b) One of the main complains against the Henry VI was that he gave a lot of crown lands to his favorites, which eventually brought crown to bankruptcy. York as well as commons ask king many times to take these lands back but without success. I would put the following event dated by 1451:
a) I will insert the war command. Michael, how would the Hainaut fiasco have been different had Gloucester been named regent in ENG, and Bedford regent in FRA, as was outlined in Henry V's will?

Certainly the Lords' and Councils decision to keep the regency intact, giving it to Bedford while creating a compensatory position of 'protector' for Gloucester had its advantages. But what were the disadvantages, if any? How else could they have resolved the issue of executive authority upon Henry V's death?
MichaelK said:
#The Commons petition
thanks for the event Michael, I quite like this one. I am aware of the sentiment and struggle you're referring to. The Commons had been fighting for Resumption for half a decade. I found a very good webpage that gives a good rundown of parliaments struggle with forcing Resumption on the Lancastrian Regime here. I will either include a seperate event, or try to include this element into one of the descriptions and choices.

And here is a somewhat coloured view of the WotR and breakdown of parliaments during the Lancastrian days.

I've added another couple events to the same post.
 
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Really good work guys, here are some thoughts:

from the dartford event

Believing it to be a matter of his own survival aswell as the nation's, he had decided to march on the king and have the duke of Somerset removed from office and "PLAED" under arrest

And here is a little too obvious choice ? wasn't there a reason the historical action was taken ?

action_a = {
name = "I will not betray my friends !"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
}
action_b = {
name = "People of England are right"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 200 }

And here, I can see no reason anyone would choose option B:

action_a = {
name = "Accept York's articles and return to London..."
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Arrest York at once and commit him to the Tower!"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 4 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 4 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Sieze Somerset instead!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 2 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2000048 } #The Reading Parliament#

is option B included too punish a random-choosing AI ?
There must have been some advantage in locking up York in the Tower that can be included ?

and whats up with the text in red ? impossible to read with that colour.

again, excellent work on the events.

cheers.
 
spelling error from the Dartford event noted and corrected. I've Also changed the colour of the red text to lime green.
SirJakop said:
And here is a little too obvious choice ? wasn't there a reason the historical action was taken ?
MichaelK's "The commons Petition" can be boiled down, IMO, into parliaments struggle between 1449-1452 to enforce the Act of Resumption agreed to by Henry in 1449. Henry managed to secure tons of exemptions, however, for his supporters which had effectively nullified the effects of the agreed upon Act of Resumption. During the 1450 fall session, William Oldhall, an ardent supporter of York, was elected Speaker of the House of Commons. The aims of the Commons were fairly clear this time: they wanted to get rid of as many of the Lancastrian Councillors as possible, and force Henry to adhere to a stricter terms for the Act of Resumption. Henry resisted and violence flaired up again and parliament was prorogued until the new year. In the sessions in January, violence flared up again in Kent which had to be quelled. The problem was that, as rumours would have it, York was plotting to overthrow Henry and was using the men of Kent. This Henry believed, abandoned parliament, temporalrily removed the conciliar form of governance, and went on a rebellion quelling 'campaign' in Kent. And so parliament came back in May, and a petition was submitted by another one of York's supporters requesting that York be declared 'heir preseumptive' and so dropped a bombshell on Henry because, as of yet, he had no heir, and as of yet, no one had officially dealt with this constitutional issue. So Henry, characteristically, procrastinated for while, and tehn chose to reject it, throwing Thomas Young - who'd organized the petition - in the Tower of London.

I havn't made up my mind about that event. I think I will include a modified version of that and tie it in (in the description) with York's return from 'exile' in Ireland. The situation in 1450 and 1451 was simply instanity. In gameterms, ENG would have -3 stability and provincial revolt risk causing revlts monthly across the middle and southern regions of England. The upcoming parliament is about to Impeach Suffolk, who is king Henry's staunchest supporter in the council, and Somerset (another of king Henry's supporters) is almost killed by a mob in Anglia. The people of ENG are basically enraged that Anjou/Maine was handed over to the Dauphin without a fight, and that Normandy has just suffered a similar fate. Furthermore, they've been taxed to death for war in FRA and Henry has, over the years of his personal reign, given away much of 'the king's own' (i.e. Crown lands) to nobles whom support him and whom might be having doubts about him. Thus the Commons desperately wants a massive Act of Resumption to pass through parliament and be approved by the king. Henry can't do that, because he'll piss many nobles off if he does that and so a compromise is made in 1450-1451.

To make the long story short, if such an event were to exist it'd probably have to altered like this:

action_a = {
name = "I will not betray my friends !"
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk value = 5 }
}
action_b = {
name = "People of England are right"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = treasury value = 200 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 2 }
}
}
SirJakop said:
And here...[in the Dartford event]...I can see no reason anyone would choose option B...is option B included too punish a random-choosing AI ?
There must have been some advantage in locking up York in the Tower that can be included ?
answering your first question: yes, partly. And your second: yes, there must be. I agree. York wrote to Henry multitudes of times claiming loyalty to Henry before Dartford occured, so arresting York and then...say, executing him, would be a stretch. Though I am considering it. In such a light, Edward (York's son) would then pull a Henry Bolingbroke 8 years later and land in 1460-ish to claim his fathers inheritance. And so an event in 1460 might prompt the ENG player to either a) fight Edward Plantagenet (thus releasing YOR as a vassal state which then declares war on ENG and fights you in a vigorous war for the throne, OR b) allow the ENG player to have Henry abdicate in favour of Edward IV with a cost to VP or somethin.
 
To ribbon:

1. What should England do to alter WotR ?

French historian of 15 century Philippe de Commin said: "If English could not fight the French they will start to fight each other". IMHO he was right. Imagine that English managed to keep important French provinces. The result will be that English nobles would spend time and efforts to keep a rich French lands instead of fighting between themselves in England. Unfortunately, Henry VI was so hopeless as a monarch that even success in France could not IMHO prevent the WotR. I think that historical course could be altered if:
a) France did not appear OR.
b) England managed to keep Calais, Gascogne and Normandy (minimum requirement). In this case WotR events should be altered by adding revolts in the French provinces (some of French nobles would support York, some will use WotR as a pretext to get rid of English altogether).

2. Events of Cade's rebellion, York regency and Parlament complaints could stay like they are. They were complaints against Henry VI misrule. What should be changes is a sequel of events starting with the St Albans. Moreover, IMHO Boswort event of 1485 (historical outcome) should bring a very strong revolt in France (may be even defection of some provinces). French and English nobles in France would not like Tudor parveny very much. Henry VII was able to keep England because old nobility was seriosly weakened during WotR, but in case of England keeping French provinces it could be a great uprising. Just imagine a reaction of Charles the Burgundy or Bourbons when they will know that their lord is some upstart from Wales !

3. Events about petitions against Somerset and Suffolk should be toned down or disabled if England managed to keep Normandy and Gascogne. One of the most serious accusations was a loss of lands in France and if these lands are not lost than what is to blame them for ?

3. Hainault situation: If Gloucester managed to get a support for his scheme (ahistorical version) than IMHO that what should happens:

a) England will add Hainault, Zeeland and Holland as a core provinces
b) Burgundy and Brabant will immediately start war with England and make an alliance with Dauphine (or France).
c) That will authomatically trigger all events related to the French-Burgundian alliance (means that this alliance will happen not in 1435 like it really was, but in 1429).
d) Jean of Ark events should be revisited (burgundians will be the France allies how they could give her to English ?).
 
MichaelK said:
1. What should England do to alter WotR ?

Imagine that English managed to keep important French provinces. The result will be that English nobles would spend time and efforts to keep a rich French lands instead of fighting between themselves in England. Unfortunately, Henry VI was so hopeless as a monarch that even success in France could not IMHO prevent the WotR. I think that historical course could be altered if:
a) France did not appear OR.
b) England managed to keep Calais, Gascogne and Normandy (minimum requirement). In this case WotR events should be altered by adding revolts in the French provinces (some of French nobles would support York, some will use WotR as a pretext to get rid of English altogether).
I agree with your analyses :)
MichaelK said:
2. Events of Cade's rebellion, York regency and Parlament complaints could stay like they are. They were complaints against Henry VI misrule. What should be changes is a sequel of events starting with the St Albans. Moreover, IMHO Boswort event of 1485 (historical outcome) should bring a very strong revolt in France (may be even defection of some provinces). French and English nobles in France would not like Tudor parveny very much. Henry VII was able to keep England because old nobility was seriosly weakened during WotR, but in case of England keeping French provinces it could be a great uprising. Just imagine a reaction of Charles the Burgundy or Bourbons when they will know that their lord is some upstart from Wales !
I think the ENG prossessions in FRA would support the Yorkists, for the most part. IRL, Henry VII was basically 'abducted' by his uncle Jasper when Edward IV regained his country in 1471, and was supported by both Britanny (in so far as they harboured him) as well as FRA (in so far as providing the French 'crack' troops to Henry in 1483 and 1485. I generally agree that posessions in FRA would rise against Lancastrian control. The French nobles holding land in English occupied French-provinces would enjoy the lenient rule of the Yorkist rulers. Look at York's treatment of the Irish in Ireland; basically extended by his son Edward IV. Though York replaced the French nobles in the Norman council during his term in FRA, this was more a matter of necessity, rather than personal taste, as the French nobles could no longer be trusted at the time, which was almost 2 decades before the onset of serious civil war in ENG. Provided ENG has held Normandy (Normandy, Caux and perhaps Anjou/Maine) into the 1460s, much may have changed since then in the attidudes of the French nobility in Normandy towards England in general.

It is what I've called this 'grey' area that remains, as of yet, unscripted. Surely the king of France, if he is unsecccessful in kicking out the english from Normandy, and Gascone, will ercognize the king of England as duke of Normandy and Gascone, provided the English king withdraws claims to the throne of France!

MichaelK said:
3. Events about petitions against Somerset and Suffolk should be toned down or disabled if England managed to keep Normandy and Gascogne. One of the most serious accusations was a loss of lands in France and if these lands are not lost than what is to blame them for ?
The Yorkists support in the late 1440'sa nd early 1450's drew from two sources, mismanagement at home, and mismanagement abroad. The challenge for York was to make Somerset responsible for misdeads abroad, and Suffolk for his misdeads at home. The charge to gut out the Lancastrian Council confused the issues. The key, was that Suffolk 'and his affinity' were mismanaging ENG, but Somerset couldn't really be blamed for misgovernance in FRA. Thus York could not pull off killing two birds with one stone, so-to-speak, and Suffolk basically took the blame for both issues as we come to see in York's failed efforts to hold Somerset as the sole responsible factor for the loss of FRA. One Henry agreed to a more effective Act of Resumption, and Suffolk had been impeached, the Commons were appeased, and were very eager to support Henry's and the Lancastrian's efforts in the "Reading Parliament" in 1453, Gascony was still ENG afterall, and though under attack, they were all too willing to support Henry with funding. Shortly thereafter hwoever, Castillion would shatter these hopes, and Henry would collapse and so on towards St. Alban's.

If we do create a seperate Suffolk event, then if Henry chooses to ignore the impeachment (as he did) but also doesn't exile him, then we could have potential there for a St. Alban's no matter what ENG's possessions in FRA are (provided ENG doesn't blanket FRA of course).

MichaelK said:
3. Hainault situation: If Gloucester managed to get a support for his scheme (ahistorical version) than IMHO that what should happens:

a) England will add Hainault, Zeeland and Holland as a core provinces
b) Burgundy and Brabant will immediately start war with England and make an alliance with Dauphine (or France).
c) That will authomatically trigger all events related to the French-Burgundian alliance (means that this alliance will happen not in 1435 like it really was, but in 1429).
d) Jean of Ark events should be revisited (burgundians will be the France allies how they could give her to English ?).
I agree with this, though I am actually now leaning towards something like this: ENG wants Jacquelin's inheritance, IF John the Fearless has been murdered, then ENG should fight Brabant alone. IF John the Fearless hasn't been murdered, then the ENG hate the Burgundians anyways, and war with Burgundy would become inevitable provided ENG wants Jacquelin's inheritance. So the key, IMO, is (in light of John's murder - historical case) to discuss just how involved Burgudy would get. Remember, Bedford is married to Philip's sister, and Philip's father was murdered not 6 years before, ENg has already ceded territory to Burgundy in France.

So, are we positive that Burgundy would wage a war with ENG, and further still, ally themselves with the Dauphin just to secure the inheritance for Brabant?!

Regarding the War of the Roses, I'd really appreciate thoughts on what makes or brakes "St. Alban's". We agree that there's virtually no turning back once "St. Alban's" occurs. So what would stop it? How about having York imprisoned after Dartford, and giving the Protectorate to Exeter during Henry's illness? Without York as Protector, the York-Neville alliance is certainly less solidified. Would we agree that St. Alban's depends upon the the Yorkists support of Salisbury and his son, Warwick?

EDIT: have split Cade's Rebellion and Suffolk and Resumption events. Changed a few descriptions. Graded the Jacquelin events to be dependent on "The Alliance of Montereu" outcome, and if Humphrey's Regent in England.
 
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1. The compromise with France which will give England a couple of provinces in exchange for withdrawing claims on the French throne is a good idea. But to achieve it (and became France) Dauphine (or Burgundy) should IMHO own Ile-de-France (or at least control it). Otherwise English would never give up their claim.

2. France and Brittany supported Henry Tudor as a claimant on the English throne, but I don't think they would support him if he claim French throne. It is very difficult to say whether French nobles would support York or Lancaster. My best guess is that they would try to use the WotR in order to get rid of English altogether and became independent.

3. To avoid St-Albans (and WotR altogether) could be done as follows:

a) York party is completely crushed and York is beheaded for treason before 1455. His son Edward would be too young and Salisbury/Warwick would not be able to start war on their own.
b) York recognised as a regent. He was actually a regent (and a good one) during Henry VI mental illness. Let's say Henry VI did not recover and stay mad. Then York would be regent until 1469 (when Henry's son Edward became 15). At that time IMHO York have not yet planned to claim the throne and would be satisfied with being regent.
c) If a) or b) did not happen then WotR should start.

4. Hainault question.

Philippe the Good was a very screwd person. He made an alliance with England and then changed sides in 1435 gaining lands in both cases. In 1435 he actually agreed to forgive his father murder in exchange for Picardy. IMHO if English would really try to take his best lands he would make an alliance with dofin Charles without hesitation in 1429. The conditions of the alliance could be the same as in 1435 or more favourable to Burgundy (France was much weaker in 1429). So, Burgundy would receive Picardy and may be even Champagne or Nivernais from Dauphine. In exchage they will make an alliance with Dauphine, Dauphine will became France and receive some benefites (money or soldiers). If Burgundy will manage to get Ile-de-France, Normandy or Gaux from England they should surrender it to France. If at the other hand France will take Picardy or one of the Netherland's provinces from England they should surrender it to Burgundy.
 
Excuse the repeating of this post from the England/France thread, but it seems at least as relevant here.

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The scenario:

England uses Henry V (leader) to consolidate gains in coastal northern France, but isn't interested in moving inland and remaining heavily involved in France in the future. Selects "Generous Peace" and "Renounce our Claims".

Currently, this removes the core from Ile de France, improves relations a little, but maintains a significant English presence in northern France in particular, that at some point the 'French' (France, Burgundy, Dauphine, Brittany even) are going to oppose.

What I'd be interested in happening then, either through event or using the new tags (as I can in vanilla EU2), is to pursue a policy of almost complete disengagement with 'France'.

For instance, an event on the accession of Henry VI, consistent with the 'option B's' taken already, to give up the remaining French posessions, again as an ahistorical option B. Perhaps grant the Duke of Normandy to the Yorkists, releasing any of the northern French provinces still held, as a vassalised Normandy. Gascogne could be ceded to Dauphine for some compensation, either/both monetary and/or improved relations.

While ahistorical and perhaps unlikely as a voluntary and 'cheap' surrender of any claims to France (already allowed in the existing 2 events referred to), it gives an interesting early chance for an English player to cut loose from the continent and concentrate on the rebellious Celts .

How would this influence the WotR? Currently, my irritation with the Cade rebellion (apart from supposed mismanagement and poverty not matching the situation) is that it is also tied to 'losing ground' in France, when decisions made 30 years earlier effectively said I wasn't interested anyway.

Either a Yorkist Normandy (?), reducing or eliminating the main WotR tensions, or perhaps an earlier 'WotR' conflict, caused by a "cowardly surrender of our French posessions"?

Or, in the actual WotR timeframe, the vassalised Normandy/Yorkists (if not since swallowed up by one of the French factions) assert their claims on the English throne, either through choice in event (marriage to unite the kingdoms though not to reacquire the provinces, or to refuse and face revolts, war with Normandy) or simple war.

I'm thinking aloud, and some of this may be deemed too ahistorical. But if England is given options to renounce it's claims on France as early as 1420/1422 (as it is), I'd like to see the option for an English monarch (i.e. player) to recognise the difficulties in maintaining scattered provinces on the continent and to withdraw to the British Isles, subjugating the Scots and Irish and taking the first steps towards a naval/colonial power as a deliberate strategy, rather than having to 'lose' the HYW. Obviously this changes the dynamics of the causes of the WotR significantly, too.
 
Posted a couple of ideas for events in the England/France thread which I won't repeat again here, but do impact on the WotR (or completely avoid it, or make it happen 25 years early :)).

Understandably, most discussion seems to concentrate on WotR with ongoing victories/defeats in HYW. I'm interested in some follow up to England basically just opting out of the HYW (Generous Peace/Renounce Our Claims).
 
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#The Houses of Lancaster and York - Having picked York

event = {
id = 2100015
random = no
country = YOR

name = "Houses of Lancaster and York"
desc = "After retreating north, York and his Neville allies could do little but await Queen Margaret's next move. The Yorkists still enjoyed the support of the populace, especially so in the southern shires. Support dwindled, however, in the northern shires where Lancastrian magnates dominated the countryside. Because York's estates, though scattered throughout the country, were consolidated in the Welsh marches and Yorkshire, York could claim two major recruiting grounds. The estates of the duchy of York were administered from Ludlow, in the Welsh march, and Sandal castle, in Yorkshire. As the Earl of Ulster, York also had estates in in Ireland. York spent most of his time at Sandal Castle, however, he may have chosen to established his household at Ludlow."

action_a = {
name = "Sandal Castle seems fine"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = capital which = 241 } #Yorkshire
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150000 } #York
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150001 } #Salisbury
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150002 } #Warwick
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = 3 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 241 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 2 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 240 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 244 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 245 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 246 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 247 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 248 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 249 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 250 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2000016 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Let's make Ludlow our stronghold"
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = capital which = 243 } #Wales
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150000 } #York
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150001 } #Salisbury
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150002 } #Warwick
command = { type = provincetax which = 243 value = 2 }
command = { type = provincemanpower which = 243 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 2 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 240 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 244 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 245 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 246 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 247 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 248 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 249 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 250 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2000016 }
}
}

#The Houses of Lancaster and York

event = {
id = 2000016
random = no
country = LAN

name = "The Houses of Lancaster and York"
desc = "EVENTHIST2000016"

action_a = {
name = "I see"
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150010 } #Buckingham
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150011 } #Somerset
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150012 } #Northumberland
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = 1 }
}
}

#The Houses of Lancaster and York - having picked Lancaster

event = {
id = 2100017
random = no
country = LAN

name = "The Houses of Lancaster and York"
desc = "EVENTHIST2100017"

action_a = {
name = "I see"
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150010 } #Buckingham
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150011 } #Somerset
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150012 } #Northumberland
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 243 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 231 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 232 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 233 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 234 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 235 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 382 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 383 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 384 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 413 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 424 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 418 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 417 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = YOR value = 423 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2100018 }
}
}

#The Houses of Lancaster and York - having picked Lancaster

event = {
id = 2100018
random = no
country = YOR

name = "Houses of Lancaster and York"
desc = "After retreating north, York and his Neville allies could do little but await Queen Margaret's next move. The Yorkists still enjoyed the support of the populace, especially so in the southern shires. Support dwindled, however, in the northern shires where Lancastrian magnates dominated the countryside. Because York's estates, though scattered throughout the country, were consolidated in the Welsh marches and Yorkshire, York could claim two major recruiting grounds. The estates of the duchy of York were administered from Ludlow, in the Welsh march, and Sandal castle, in Yorkshire. As the Earl of Ulster, York also had estates in in Ireland. York spent most of his time at Sandal Castle, however, he may have chosen to established his household at Ludlow."

action_a = {
name = "Sandal Castle seems fine"
command = { type = stability value = 3 }
command = { type = capital which = 241 } #Yorkshire
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150000 } #York
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150001 } #Salisbury
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150002 } #Warwick
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 240 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 244 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 245 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 246 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 247 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 248 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 249 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 250 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2000016 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Let's make Ludlow our stronghold"
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = capital which = 243 } #Wales
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150000 } #York
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150001 } #Salisbury
command = { type = wakeleader which = 150002 } #Warwick
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = 1 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 240 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 244 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 245 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 246 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 247 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 248 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 249 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = LAN value = 250 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2000016 }
}
}

#The Great Council at Leicester

event = {
id =
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1459 }
offset = 150
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1459 }

name = "The Great Council at Leicester"
desc = "Margaret of Anjou, Queen of England was by now in full control of Henry VI's Council. During the spring of 1459, she summoned a Great Council at Leicester to which the Yorkist Lords were not invited. There, it was agreed that the Queen would call a parliament to Coventry wherun she would present articles of indictement against York and his adjuvents for acts of treason. Interestingly enough, the contents of which she could not reveal during the Council. As word reached York and his allies of the Great Council at Leicester, Margaret's plan became obvious to York, Salisbury and Warwick, who hastily gathered their forces. There was little the Yorkists could do other than confront the King and his corrupt Council before parliament could take place. The alternative was attainter and forfeiture..."

action_a = {
name = "To Arms!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = war which = LAN }
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 10000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 2000 }
}
}

#Parliament of Drogheda, 1460

event = {
id =
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
OR = {
vassal = { country = YOR country = EIR }
vassal = { country = LAN country = EIR }
owned = { province which = 231 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 232 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 233 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 234 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 235 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 231 data = LAN }
owned = { province which = 232 data = LAN }
owned = { province which = 233 data = LAN }
owned = { province which = 234 data = LAN }
owned = { province which = 235 data = LAN }
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = february year = 1460 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1460 }

name = "Parliament of Drogheda, 1460"
desc = "When York summoned the Irish parliament to Drogheda his aim was to unite the Irish in their support for his claim to the throne of England. In order to accomplish this, York utilized his popularity and granted the Irish independence from the writs of the English Crown. Thus, Ireland would be bound only by the laws accepted by its own parliament. York was recognized as the undisputed source of Royal authority, and it became treasonable to attack the Duke of York in any way. He would receive homage, secure funding and men-at-arms for his return to England."

action_a = {
name = "Welcome our Irish allies!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 100 }
command = { type = vassal which = EIR }
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 5000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 1000 }
command = { type = trigger which =
}
}

#Parliament of Drogheda, 1460

event = {
id =
random = no
country = LAN

name = "Parliament of Drogheda, 1460"
desc = "When York summoned the Irish parliament to Drogheda his aim was to unite the Irish in their support for his claim to the throne of England. In order to accomplish this, York utilized his popularity and granted the Irish independence from the writs of the English Crown. Thus, Ireland would be bound only by the laws accepted by its own parliament. York was recognized as the undisputed source of Royal authority, and it became treasonable to attack the Duke of York in any way. He would receive homage, secure funding and men-at-arms for his return to England."

action_a = {
name = "The Irish are in arms!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = independence which = EIR }
command = { type = revolt which = 231 }
command = { type = revolt which = 232 }
command = { type = revolt which = 233 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 231 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 232 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 233 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 234 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 235 value = 5 }
}
}

#Parliament at Coventry

event = {
id = 2000090
random = no
country = ENG

trigger = {
war = { country = YOR country = LAN }
}
date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1456 }
offset = 45
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1460 }

name = "Parliament at Coventry"
desc = "Once York, Salisbury and Warwick had taken up arms against the Crown, it took little to convince a pliant parliament called by the Queen that York and his followers were guilty of treason by attainder. With the weight of parliament behind them and with the support of the Lords, Margaret was confident that the Lancastrians would perservere against the upstart Yorkists. Moreover, as the Yorkists were now labelled traitors, Henry asserted he would pardon any Yorkist who'd lay down there arms, save the subjects of the Queen's indictements. There were surely thos among York's ranks who did not wish to face a charge of treason. The Yorkists lands now forfeit, it would be a simple matter of occupying them and installing royal officers and loyal supporters in their stead..."

action_a = {
name = "Good!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = INF which = -1 value = 10000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -3 value = 2000 }
command = { type = relation which = YOR value = -100 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2000091 }
}
}

# The Parliament of Devils - for YOR

event = {
id = 2000091
random = no
country = YOR

name = "The Parliament of Devils"
desc = "In October 1459, Queen Margaret completed her design of proscribing her enemies. At a pliant parliament called to meet at Coventry, York and his followers were found guilty of treason by attainder and their lands forfeited and occupied by royal officers, or distributed to loyal supporters. There was no other option but to cut down their Lancastrian rivals. Unfortuantely, Henry declared that any and all who lay down their arms would receive a full pardon, save those who were to be attained. Thus there were many who refused to fight amongst York's ranks and for a moment, the Yorkist future looked grim indeed."

action_a = {
name = "We've been charged with treason!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 2000 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 2000 }
}
}

#Henry VI is captured

event = {
id = 2000022
random = no
country = LAN
trigger = {
NOT = {
leader = 150010 #Buckingham
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1456
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1460 }

name = "Henry VI is captured"
desc = "Buckingham's death signalled a turn for the worse for the Lancastrians. As the King's appointed Commander, Buckingham had been Henry's Royal guardian, and so the Yorkists secured Henry, who gave himself up peacefully, disdaining war and bloodshed. The Yorkists would bring him to London where they would no doubt exert great influence over him. Nevertheless, the Lancastrians would make an attempt to rescue the King, and there was perhaps no other better suited for the purpose other than Henry's ardent Queen, Margaret of Anjou, who's natural instinct was to call for foreign aid."

action_a = {
name = "Alas the Earl of Buckingham, we shall remember you justly!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2000023 }
}
}

#Henry VI is captured

event = {
id = 2000023
random = no
country = YOR

name = "Henry VI is captured"
desc = "Buckingham's death signalled a turn for the worse for the Lancastrians. As the King's appointed Commander, Buckingham had been Henry's Royal guardian, and so the Yorkists secured Henry, who gave himself up peacefully, disdaining war and bloodshed. The Yorkists would bring him to London where they would no doubt exert great influence over him. Nevertheless, the Lancastrians would make an attempt to rescue the King, and there was perhaps no other better suited for the purpose other than Henry's ardent Queen, Margaret of Anjou, who's natural instinct was to call for foreign aid, and remained at large."

action_a = {
name = "We have the King...to London!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
}
}

# The Act of Accord

event = {
id = 2000024
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
leader = 20000 #York
owned = { province = 240 data = LAN } #Northumberland
OR = {
control = { province = 247 data = YOR } #Anglia
event = 2000023 #Henry VI is captured
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1459 }
offset = 15
deathdate = { day= 31 month = december year = 1460 }

name = "The Act of Accord"
desc = "With London secured, York and his allies were now in control of the government, albeit a government which was in dissaray. While the Lancastrians reeled from this disaster, the Yorkists had done their best to quell resistance. When York entered London, he ordered that trumpets be played and his sword be held before him in the manner of king, as he marched to Westminster, where the lords of the land were assembled for his arrival. Entering Westminster Hall he walked up to the throne and placed his hand upon it, then turned to the assembled lords. Instead of the rapturous welcome he had expected, he was met with a stony silence that was eventually broken by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who approached him and asked if he would like to see the king. Without the support of the lords for his claim to be king, York, infuriated, set about the task of attaining the throne by legal means. The Yorkists organized a full assembly of both houses, and seated the king before the full Parliament in royal regalia. The archbishop of York then narrated the alleged misdeeds of government from a text seemingly dependent on the Calais manifesto. Parliament then proceeded, amidst considerable confusion, to elect a speaker. The Commons was unwilling to agree to Henry's deposition. Originally, York had planned his coronation for the following day, but deffered to baronial council after a confrontation with Thomas Neville. Having submitted his claim to the throne, the lords, after a period of deliberation, agreed to accept York's claim, but to decline to give it any immediate effect. Henry was to have the Crown for his lifetime, afterwhich the Crown would fall to York and his heirs. Thus had passed what later came to be known as the Act of Accord.

action_a = {
name = "Good..."
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = trigger which = 2000025 } #Act of Accord - for LAN
}
}

# The Act of Accord - for LAN

event = {
id = 2000025
random = no
country = LAN

name = "The Act of Accord"
desc = "When York entered London, he immediately caused a stir by displaying the Royal banner and marching up to London in the manner of king. Timing his arrival to coincide with the gathering of parliament, he strode purposefully into Westminster Hall and laid his hand on the throne. Thus for the first time did York declare his dynastic ambition. His act was not met by acclaim. Parliament would not accede to the deposition of Henry VI. Ultimately, an unworkable compromise was patched up. On 24th October 1460, Parliament passed the Act of Accord which decreed that Henry VI would remain king but on his death, the crown would pass to the Duke of York and his heirs, thus Henry's son was disinherited. It was one thing to pass the Act, but quite another to enforce it. Queen Margaret, with her son, was still at large, gathering troops and now hardened with greater cause to reverse the outcome of the war thus far..."

action_a = {
name = "Curses!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = capital which = 240 }
command = { type = INF which = 240 value = 10000 }
command = { type = INF which = 240 value = 2500 }
}
}

#Edward...your father is dead.

event = {
id = 2000026
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
NOT = {
leader = 150000 #York
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1456 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1461 }

name = "Edward...your father is dead"
desc = "When Richard Plantagenet, Duke of York was cut down, his claim to the throne of England now fell to his first born son, Edward 'the Rose of Rouen'. Standing 6'4, his presence commanded respect. His soldiers, and indeed those of this father, were willing to lay down their lives for Edward. And so the Yorkists future rested in the abilities of the young warrior."

action_a = {
name = "For death and glory!"
command = { type = wakemonarch which = } #Edward Plantagenet
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 10000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 2000 }
}
}

#Elizabeth Woodville

event = {
id = 2000075
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
event = 2000095 #Edward is crowned
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1464 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1466 }

name = "Elizabeth Woodville...a Queen for our Yorkist King!"
desc = "Edward IV was by now the most eligable bachelor in Europe 'a man so vigorous and handsome that he might have been made for the pleasures of the flesh'. Many in his administration were anxious to find him a suitable bride. Edward, however, found one for himself, marrying Elizabeth Woodville, a woman of questionable birth. Although her mother had been Jacquetta of Luxembourg, her father had been a squire, and later promoted to Lord Rivers. Elizabeth was a widow of the late John Grey, a baron who'd died fighting for the Lancastrians. As such she was considered unsuitable both as a bride for Edward and as a Yorkist queen. Thus the Nobles reacted with dismay when Edward announced his bride to the Council after having kept it secret for well over four months. Warwick, the most powerful magnate in England had been advocating a French bride for Edward in both the English and French courts, and now faced a serious blow to his political integrity. When Elizabeth came to court she brought with her five unmarried brothers, seven unmarried sisters, and two sons from her previous marriage. As members of the royal entourage, the Woodvilles would have to be elevated to a more respectable status than their background could justify. This meant land, titles and marriages into the English nobility. Warwick, among others, would take great personal insult to the influx of Woodvilles, and could do little as marriage prospects for his own two daughters and heirs dissapeared. Nevertheless there was another English candidate for Edward. Eleanor Talbot who, like Elizabeth, was a widowed Lancastrian, but unlike Elizabeth, was not saddled with a large family to promote in court. Moreover, the Bishop of Bath would later testify that Edward had in fact entered into a marriage contract with Eleanor, a legally binding promise which would render Edward's marriage to Elizabeth void on grounds of bigomy. On the other hand, Edward could have bowed to Warwick's whim..."

action_a = {
name = "Elizabeth Woodville, Queen of England!"
command = { type = stablity value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Ahem...Eleanor Talbot, Queen of England!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2000076 } #Isabelle and Anne Neville ->ENG
}
action_c = {
name = "Err...I meant...I'll let Warwick decide!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = dynastic which = FRA }
command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2000076 } #Isabelle and Anne Neville ->ENG
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2000077 } #Warwick's Betrayal ->ENG
}
}

#Isabelle and Anne Neville

event = {
id = 2000076
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
event = 2000095 #Edward is crowned
}
date = { day = 1 month = july year = 1468 }
offset = 15
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1431 }

name = "Isabelle and Anne Neville"
desc = "With each shameless promotion of the Woodvilles at court, Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick whinced and bit his lip as his influence over Edward slipped into the distant past. His own enormous family, the Nevilles, owed its vast wealth and prestige to having married very rich heirs and heiresses methodically for two generations. Ironically, the Earl himself had no sons but two daughters. With Warwick having reaped the spoils of the defeated Lancastrian nobility, his daughters were to inherit the greatest estates in England. Now, because of the social ambitions of the Queen's kindred, it looked as if there wouldbe no one of suitable rank left for them to wed. Moreover, Edward stubbornly refused to let them have the most desirable matches of all, the King's own younger brothers George, Duke of Clarence and Richard, Duke of Gloucester. Though Warwick had been York and Edward's strongest supporters, Edward feared mixing the very ingredients that had derailed the previous Lancastrian regime. Ambitous and youthful Royals with vast estates had tendencies to create civil strife, weaken kingdoms and at the very worst, depose kings. Afterall, Edward was the product of such a situation and was well aware of that fact."

action_a = {
name = "Reject Warwick's marriage proposals"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Welcome Isabelle, Duchess of Clarence and Anne, Duchess of Gloucester!"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristoracy value = 1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 240 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 241 value = -3 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 242 value = -3 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 2000077 } #Warwick's Betrayal ->ENG
}
}

#Warwick's Betrayal

event = {
id = 2000077
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
event = 2000095 #Edward is crowned
}
date = { day = 1 month = july year = 1468 }
offset = 15
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1431 }

name = "Warwick's Betrayal"
desc = "With the promotion of Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick and son of the late Earl of Salisbury, a staunch supporter of Edward father, the Duke of York, was


action_a = {
name = "Curses!"
command = { type = stability value = -3 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = disersion which = -1 value = 5000 }
}
}

#Dresmond's victory in Ireland

event = {
id =
random = no
country = YOR
trigger = {
event = #Richard York's Parliament thingy
exists = EIR
OR = {
vassal = { country = ENG country = EIR }
owned = { province which = 231 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 232 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 233 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 234 data = YOR }
owned = { province which = 235 data = YOR }
}
NOT = {
war = { country = ENG country = EIR }
}
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1463 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1464 }

name = "Earl of Dresmond is Deputy of Ireland"
desc = "The practical embodiment of Edward's removal of land from the Irish Lancastrians came when Thomas, Earl of Dresmond, a Yorkist, defeated Butler of Ormond in battle. As in the past, the Crown could not afford to devote the funds needed to uphold formal English rule in Ireland, which typically involved a costly large-scale invasion, and the upkeep of a permanent force stationed on the island. Instead, the Crown would appoint a Deputy as the Royal representative. However, in practice, the deputy could excersise little authority in Ireland, without the means with which to do so. Dresmond, an anglo-irish magnate and now all-powerful in Ireland, would take the position of deputy for Ireland. Choosing an anglo-irish deputy lent greater weight to the Crown's authority, but there was always the fear that such a combination of personna and status would tend to tempt its holder into declaring himself king of Ireland."

action_a = {
name = "Appoint Dresmond as Deputy"
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 231 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 232 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 233 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 234 value = -1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 235 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 231 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 232 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 233 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 234 value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 235 value = -1 }
}
action_b = "Appoint an English noble and fully fund his efforts!"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = treasury value = -200 }
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 5000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -3 value = 2000 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 231 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 232 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 233 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 234 value = 2 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 235 value = 2 }
}
}
 
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What to do with king Henry VI...

Well, the next logical event is the "Act of Accord" which occured sometime in the fall of 1459, a couple months before York's death at Wakefield. The act declared that York would be Henry VI's successor. The event depended upon two things:

1)The Yorkists capturing king Henry VI at the Battle of Northampton

2)York being alive :)

with 1) should we create a Henry VI leader? And provided the Yorists 'kill' him, translating this into capturing the king. An alternative might be to have the event triggered upon YOR capturing Anglia

with 2) would York need to be alive for this act to pass? Provided Edward is alive, and smashing Lancastrians, and #1 was satisfied, would this event have occured?

other issue: should the act of accord be necessary for Edward to be crowned king of ENG in 1461? Edward was crowned before Towton, in a brief ceremony. He then rushed off to Towton, then came back for a larger ceremony. The initial coronation was largely due to the fact that the yorkists lost king Henry VI at St. Albans (the second battle there), and couldn't really rule anymore without a king...so they made Edward one. They had some legality in the Act of Accord.

So a solution might be that if the Act of Accord has not occured, then Edward must simply crush the Lancaatrian leaders and tame southern and middle ENG before he can be crowned. His coronation would mean a country tag switch back to ENG, and thus the second phase of the War of the Roses (the Lancastrian Resistance) can begin, possibly culminating in Warwick's treachery and Lancastrian 'rebirth', giving LAN a few new-age Lancastrian leaders, like Edward, the Lancastrian Prince of Wales, Warwick and so on.
 
How far has the work come along on this project ?

is it possible to get a hold on some of the work and beta-test it for yourself ?

would be great.
 
SirJakop said:
How far has the work come along on this project ?

is it possible to get a hold on some of the work and beta-test it for yourself ?

would be great.
hell yah! :D I've been beta testing for days man...I'll PM you with my email and we can take it from there.

The prelude is complete. The war itself is in the beta stage and quite fun when I playtest! But I still have to finish off the war, and tie up loose ends.
 
great news indeed! I've been itching to play the the rework of this episode ever since I heard of it!
 
ribbon22 said:
with 1) should we create a Henry VI leader? And provided the Yorists 'kill' him, translating this into capturing the king. An alternative might be to have the event triggered upon YOR capturing Anglia

This strikes me as a particularly bad idea. Such a leader would have to have monarch rank (well maybe he could have a very low rank, but boy would that be confusing), so would be buried somewhere by a human Lancastrian, but would prevent the better generals from leading the AI Lancastrians. In addition we have no leaders in the game who didn't actually lead an army, or at least a component of it. (With the exception of a few spurious cases the need to be fixed.) This would cause plenty of confusion. And the odds of the Yorkists actually managing to kill this leader in an appropriate way would be extremely small.