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Hello guys.

Here I was playing with my favorite nation, the Qing Empire, and got into my first Great War ever. It was very exciting as I was planning to annex Indochina and the area around Lake Baikal, until one thing happened that ruined the entire game for me.

I was allied with the United Kingdom and was at war with Russia and France. As a westernized China, using mobilization I had massive armies that amounted for millions of soldiers, and I quickly overwhelmed the entire Asian part of the Russian Empire in a few months. I had occupied all of my war goals and won every battle, and even though my warscore continued very small (like five points at its height), I didn't care because I knew there was no way Russia was going to turn the tide on me. I could just occupy the entire country if needed in order to win.

However, this all changed the moment Russia sent one slightly bigger army toward me and defeated one of my armies in a battle. My warscore immediately dropped to -23, and I could see in the war graph that I had lost all those points due to battles. In other words, it was that one battle that cost me all those points.

I have no idea why this is so, but this was not the first time this happened. Before I started this Great War, I had been trying to take Lake Baikal from Russia many times before, but every time I tried to make war against them, I quickly saw my warscore sinking after I lost one or two minor battles. There was no way for me to recover my score by winning battles on my own or conquering territory, because the score I gained was simply much less than the score Russia would gain from winning battles against me. So I had the impossible task of conquering almost the entire Russian Empire without losing any battle, otherwise I would lose the war.

I know everybody talks about warscore in Victoria II being broken, but I had never seen or heard somebody mentioning this level of broken before in their game. This insanity must stop before I lose all interest in this game. Does anyone know why China loses so much warscore from losing battles, and why it takes forever for it to gain warscore through all means? And is there any way to fix at least part of the problem?

Thanks in advance.
 
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What did the lost battles look like in terms of how many men were lost on each side?
 
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.. I'm looking for support and I would rather not have the thread be floaded with comments....

Then don't make false claims and exaggerations.

Back on topic, giving information about the conditons of what happened in your game could be useful
to find you answers for your issue. Otherwise i'd wonder what support you are looking for.
 
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I'm pretty sure this is irrelevant to my issue. The battle was big, but so were all the battles I had been fighting and winning before in that same war.
Except it is relevant, because part of what determines war score from battles is how much you win or lose by.
Conceding the field after having dealt 30,000 casualties and taken 3000 of your own will result in -0.1 war score. Pushing your enemy out and destroying 30,000 while only losing 3000 would give you a warscore of ~+5.
And, given that you're China, I'm betting that you were a bit behind the Russians on tech, and so took a lot more casualties than they did.
 
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I'm confident that the information I've already presented is quite robust. No need to get cocky and cling to details as an excuse for arguing with me instead of responding. If you need more information, just ask what you need and I'll fill the gaps, but I'm sure there is a lot to work with in the thread.

As I said, the disproportion in distribution of warscore was so gigantic that it doesn't really matter how many soldiers I lost. The point is that losing a single battle that did not affect my military capacities in the slightest should not have such a huge impact on my warscore. Something is not right here, specially since I had won several big battles before but got almost no warscore from them.

My case is so weird that one can see there is something wrong without having to cling to details such as how many soldiers I lost. I didn't count. All I know is that it was a close battle, that my army and the Russian army were both large and of similar size, and I lost by a little. I also know this loss did not cause much damage to my overall military capacities. And I know I have caused much more damage to the Russian military than they have to mine. They barely have any armies left, yet I have around one million soldiers left.
 
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Damage to troops is not measured in relative terms when war score from battles is calculated.
 
Damage to troops is not measured in relative terms when war score from battles is calculated.
Perhaps this is why it is broken.

The only solution I've found was reducing the maximum warscore possible to be gained from battles from 50 to 5. Only this way the war made any sense. How can I be losing the war against Russian when I have occupied even Moscow coming all the way from China? Ridiculous.
 
If you can occupy that much of Russia and still be behind on Warscore, the implication is that you've taken a huge amount of casualties. The problem is that you don't know/remember exactly how many troops were lost on either side, so... I suppose I can't help you. Not that you'd want it anyway.
 
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The other factor is that Russia's eastern provinces really aren't worth much. They're mostly colonies, all with very low population. You kind of need to get to Moscow just to begin to collect warscore from occupation; after that, going further west and north gets pretty juicy.
 
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