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I learned so much about holland in another thread, so I am trying again.

Was Denmark on the map from 1492 til 1792?

I have the attention of all the danes on this forum now, so here is my real question. What happened in Denmark in the period EU is about. Did there happen anything of importance to the world in that period?
 
Denmark was one of the first participants on the Protestant side in the Thirty Years War, getting whipped by the overpowering Hapsburg army but buying time for the arrival the "Lion of the North."
 
Of importance to the world? Hmmm, no. Not in the grander scheme of things. Oh, by the way - Tycho Brahe, 16th century Danish astronomer whose exact documentation of planetary movements provided raw data for Kepler. Also he had a silver nose - that might be a first! More Danish scientists?

Anything of importance to the world happen in Sweden during the same period. Hmm, yes. Linear tactics and Carl von Linné are easy. There are some other 18th century scientists as well - Scheele and Celsius for example. Dunno if they were of importance to the world though.

Danes were good sailors and Swedes were good soldiers, but in the grander scheme things Scandinavia just wasn't very important.

Awaiting massive protests...

/Vandelay
 
Originally posted by Vandelay
Danes were good sailors and Swedes were good soldiers, but in the grander scheme things Scandinavia just wasn't very important.
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Well, when you read some of the threads in this 1492-1792 history forum, you could easily get the impression that Sweden is the centre of the universe...;)
 
I recommend searching the web for a danish history to provide answers to your question, but the simple answer to q1 is:

Yes.
Denmark was on the map the entire period. In the long run, it lost many territories, but the Denmark vs Sweden struggle, which dominated the entire period of EU in Scandinavia, had frequent changes of luck though Sweden gained the upper hand around the 1650s.

Denmark lost the following EU provinces during the time period:

Jemtland
Gotland
Skåne

...and a large chunk of current "Vestergøtaland", Båhus (originally Denmark and Norway were seperated only by a short strip of land around Gøteborg)

Answer to q2: as stated, not too much. Though they were both considerered great powers at different points during the period. Denmark had a great deal of income from the Øresund tolls; the Danish King had a lot of freedom compared to other european monarchs at those times when he controlled the toll-gathering.

EF
 
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Danes were occupied by Napolen and Hitler and that's about it?
 
But the Brits only eliminated the danish fleet because they suspected that Denmark would ally with the Emperor.

So to beon the safe side Nelson took care of it before the Danes had decided, very nuch the same thing they did to the French Fleet after that France sued for peace with nazi-Germany. Seems to be a Royal Navy Mobus Operandi, dosen´t it :)?
 
Originally posted by Janbalk

But the Brits only eliminated the danish fleet because they suspected that Denmark would ally with the Emperor.

So to beon the safe side Nelson took care of it before the Danes had decided, very nuch the same thing they did to the French Fleet after that France sued for peace with nazi-Germany. Seems to be a Royal Navy Mobus Operandi, dosen´t it :)?
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Well, the brits were kings of jingoism...and their rabid fear of _any_ fleet that could be used to secure a beachhead in England was probably more important than Denmark-Norway joining the continental system.

And just to be....eh...nationalistic doesn't quite fit the bill...postunionistic(?), Nelson didn't "take care of it" in quite the way most people think. The naval battle at Redet was not a British military victory; they could not force the barrier of "blokskibe"(outdated heavily armed hulks, partly beached) protecting the D-N fleet, and were forced to blockade the port and terror-bomb Copenhagen to get what they wanted. Not that it really matters...

EF

EF
 
english & denmark

the english fleet bombed copenhague in 1801 after
- the Luneville peace between France & Austria
- the neutral coaalition between Denmark (&Norway that is danish), sweden,russia & preussen for protect commerce.

& don't forgrt that russia stopped the war against Napoleon because of the occupation of Malta by the english

Ghis

(I'm sorry for the language ... i'm french)
:D
 
I already suspected it, and now I know for sure. There didn't happen much in denmark in this time period. Lets hope for the danes, that EU2 is covering 800 til 1492, or 1800 til 1801.
 
Originally posted by Vandelay
There are some other 18th century scientists as well - Scheele and Celsius for example. Dunno if they were of importance to the world though.

/Vandelay
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Ehum. Check the heat outside my friend. If it isnt in Fahrenheit it is probably with the most accurate guess I can ammount at this difficult time in my life, Celsius...:rolleyes:
 
The Danes were fortunate in being in the position to receive (subsidies) bribes to stay neutral, while many other medium or smaller states had to actually fight for their subsidies.

So Denmark was very much on the map, but in a manner that wasn't as unfortunate as for instance Sweden.
 
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Originally posted by Admiral Yi
Denmark was one of the first participants on the Protestant side in the Thirty Years War, getting whipped by the overpowering Hapsburg army but buying time for the arrival the "Lion of the North."
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This is a small thing but though it was the Danish king that participated in the Thirty Years War he did it as Duke of Holstein, while the Danish nobles didn´t support a war. Wallenstein(the general for the Imperial Army)and Tilly(general of Catholic league´s army) crushed our silly king and Wallenstein occupied most of Jutland. Luckily our king succeeded in a diplomatic scheme were he convinced his enemies that he was forging an alliance with the Swedish king which he of course wasn´t!! But Denmark got peace and Sweden kicked ass(with a little help from France and Richelieu)

Besides this Denmark had only wars in Scandinavia against Sweden, with changing luck until 1721. From then on we kept neutral.
 
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Originally posted by Genie

Besides this Denmark had only wars in Scandinavia against Sweden, with changing luck until 1721. From then on we kept neutral.
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Yes, I forgot about the wars against Sweden, can't explain why ;-)

Some eleven IIRC, the two last ones were in 1788-1789 and 1812-1813.

There were also Danish troops in some of the wars against Louis XIV.
 
Question....

Why has never Sweden and Denmark joined forces ?

I can't understand why not the North European nations has united in a similar way as Germany..... Face it we understand each other and are not that much different in anything....
 
Re: Question....

Originally posted by bmolsson
Why has never Sweden and Denmark joined forces ?

I can't understand why not the North European nations has united in a similar way as Germany..... Face it we understand each other and are not that much different in anything....
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The strength between the two have mainly been to equal to conquer the other (but we come close 1658 and may have succeded if not for outside interfernce :)), and the interest to became equal partners have been lacking at least until later half of the 19th century.
 
Re: Question....

Originally posted by bmolsson
Why has never Sweden and Denmark joined forces ?

I can't understand why not the North European nations has united in a similar way as Germany..... Face it we understand each other and are not that much different in anything....
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Actually, there was some proposals that Sweden and Denmark should unite. But then the Norwegians got nationalistic and broke free from Sweden. Not a good thing if you want to unite the Scandinavian peoples...
 
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