Welsh and Breton setup corrections

[Drachenfire]

As I've been absent since August, I do not know if there has been any word as to whether or no the Welsh and Breton set ups have been adopted.

Currently, the Welsh map in DVIP/TASS largely has the corrected characters and dynasties and suggested dynasty names (in DVIP).

Further corrections should be implemented to the maps as well, as well as a redrawing of the Brittan map.

Does anyone have any word if these have been adopted for CK II?

 

[Rabid Bogling]

CK was riddled with little mistakes of this kind and the map was pretty shoddy all 'round. The 1066 scenario was worst for it, for obvious reasons.

I kind of expect the same in CKII. Not so much through Paradox's negligence. Just because that's a feck of a lot of characters, dynasties, poorly documented and regularly changing borders, and irregularly spelt names for them to get through. Mistakes are bound to occur. Just pray it'll be as easy to modify as the first game.

 

[Calgacus]

As far as I'm concerned, mistakes in the set-up aren't such a big deal, as this can be addressed later from input on the boards. Regarding the map ... they need to open it up for feedback of some kind. In CK1, their map was actually not too bad considering the amount of research needed to be done. But provinces were more often than not in the wrong area, and many key ones got omitted for less important ones (often because they didn't show up in internet count lists). We spent years working around mistakes on the initial CK map which could not be fixed in any patches.

I honestly will be devastated if they produce a province map that is woeful and doesn't take account of user research posted on these boards; particularly in relation to my favorite areas, Ireland, England, Russia and, above all, Scotland. I'd also discourage the use of that "medieval regions map that has currency: its provinces and boundaries are in general unsuitable for a game starting 1066, and in fact the CK1 map is better both in suitability and accuracy. If they could make the map editable that would be great, but there's probably no chance of that.

 

[Ruwaard]

Not just Wales and Brittany, but the entire map could have been improved. For instance I'm more interested in the Low Countries region.

Furthermore I prefer the improvements made to the original map (medieval regions, mappa regnorum...), although knowing a region well influences your opinion about that region; since you know more, you're (at least I am) more critical.
A general problem with the map is the timespan of the game; ideally every scenario should have its own map. IMO the medieval regions of Europe map is better for most of the game, than the original CK1 map.

 

[Caranorn]

I'm currently trying to identify all medieval notable territorial entities in what is now Belgium, Luxembourg and parts of the Netherlands, France and Germany. I don't want to state anything specific before I have completed my research.

I'll just say this much, the CK-I map would not allow even a remotely probable recreation of that region's medieval history. On the other hand I must confess I didn't know any of this when CK-I came out and certainly don't blame the developers from back then for these errors. For CK-II I think Paradox should draw massivly on the research abilities of their gamer base (but instoring some quality control).

If that's not an option at least make it possible for gamers to massivly mod the map and setups (I dropped out of CK modding long before the map mods started so I only recently became aware of the limited number of province tags which make a more realistic and detailed map mostly impossible)...

 

[Drachenfire]

my only concern is that I would wish as much to be corrected as possible pre release to make multi player as stable as it can be. Because from what I understand, the more modes applied in multi player the more unstable.

So if I could get Wales and Brittany (and of corse whatever other realms) as close to Jord's DVIP with the updated Wales map into the release then I'll be more confident that the game wont crash. lol.

 

[Calgacus]

IMO the medieval regions of Europe map is better for most of the game, than the original CK1 map.

I'd actually say the CK1 map is better. Paradox when they make their maps tend to use borders of modern units (such as council areas) and change their names/merge them for size to something they believe is period approporiate (without much checking). Medieval Regions does the same, but sacrifices historical for geographical accuracy. Take for instance, Scotland. The country is divived up -- not accurately-- into late medieval/early modern sheriffdoms rather than counties/mormaerdoms/provinces. Using this map, the Scottish king would have vassals like the count of Banff and the Count of Kincardine; using CK1, we'd have counts of Buchan and Mar and so on. Now Mar and Buchan may not be in the right place, but at least they are in the game. The Medieval Regions game would make it totally unplayable with fictional counties.

 

[Kuipy]

If they could make the map editable that would be great, but there's probably no chance of that.

Eh ? It's almost guaranteed the map will be editable.

 

[Ruwaard]

I'd actually say the CK1 map is better. Paradox when they make their maps tend to use borders of modern units (such as council areas) and change their names/merge them for size to something they believe is period approporiate (without much checking). Medieval Regions does the same, but sacrifices historical for geographical accuracy. Take for instance, Scotland. The country is divived up -- not accurately-- into late medieval/early modern sheriffdoms rather than counties/mormaerdoms/provinces. Using this map, the Scottish king would have vassals like the count of Banff and the Count of Kincardine; using CK1, we'd have counts of Buchan and Mar and so on. Now Mar and Buchan may not be in the right place, but at least they are in the game. The Medieval Regions game would make it totally unplayable with fictional counties.

I think I found a theme here, that may be true for certain areas, but not all of the map; for instance the map for the Low Countries and Germany (even for the 1066 scenario) was dreadful. For instance Mappa Regnorum (for CK1) is a good compromise (although I dislike the current changes to Brabant in the latest versions, but I'm from Brabant)