What are your opinions on other EU2 players?

[PJL]

This is going to sound rather cliquey and self indulgent, but it would be great to know what other players thought of each other, so I might as well start the ball rolling with it. Apologies if I miss anyone out, it's mainly because I haven't really played enough with you to really form a solid opinion yet.

So, here goes!

Ulver - Economist. Well what can I say, under MGC3 and the old v1.05 rules, he played a really masterful game as Spain (I was only a newbie as OE at the time), and he really broke the game with his economic mastery of Spain gained from the gold etc...

Johan - Warmonger. The person who designed both EU1 and EU2, probably knows more than anyone else about the mechanics of the game (with one major exception). I would put him as a warmonger (and a backstabber at that, as MG3 and Tsunami proved), more than an economist. Having said that I haven't really seen him play countries other than Austria and Denmark.

BiB - Economist. Loves the naval aspect of the game (so why is he playing Austira in DoN2???), and what I've seen so far, would prefer to concentrate on economy and such, rather than war, unless absolutely necessary,

DarthMaur - Warmonger. Well, what can I say - Maur pushes his countries to the limit, but always pulls back. Is known for his ecccentric choices (Shiite Ottomans, Protestant France, etctends to push a hard agreement with his foes,. often to the detriment to himself as well as the enemy. Is a big risk-taker which can pay off big time (re Ottomans in MGC4)

JohnMK - Warmonger. Haven't really seen him much in action, but is famed for his extortion schemes, and (IMO) tends to be more warmongerish than economy builder.

Damocles - Warmonger. A more sensible and rational version of Darthmaur - tends to war a lot, but doesn't let the economy get into bad shape.

Peter Ebbeson - Economic Warmonger. If there's anyone who knows more about the game mechanics than Johan, it's Peter! A very dangerous opponent, especially since he actually appears reasonable and rational. I shudder to think what he could do with France or Spain.

Archduke - Economist. Probably the player closest to me in playing style - loves to keep the balance of powerr and concentrate on building up her power without anyone noticing too much (as Tsunami showed).

Mowers - Economist. Much like BiB, in that he prefers naval orientated nations than land, and relishes in big sea battles.

Red Phoenix - Warmonger - Despite his warmongering, he can be a good economist as well, but is a bit impetious and impatient.

Wyvern - Economist. Can't really say that much, except that he is good (if not spectacular, but that is not a bad thing). Certainly made Russia (at least until the end) a force to be reckoned with.

Smirfy - Economist. Much like Wyvern, but more naval orientated.

There are others, but I will stop for now. I may do some more later.

BTW, please ignore the other thread about it.

 

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I think this is a bad idea because it may lead to player's getting bashed and people's feelings getting hurt.

 

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Just don't post things that are too negative. I think it's a good idea, it will be interesting to see what players think of eachother.

 

[Wyvern]

I think this could be an interesting thread as long as we're all civil and somewhat restrained in our comments . I'm not going to write a lot about anyone, but just throw a few comments in about those players I've played with where I've perhaps got an impression that differs to that already written. I've cut out those players from the list below where I agree with you and therefore have nothing new to add, or where I haven't played against them enough to draw any impression.

Originally posted by PJL
Ulver - Economist. Well what can I say, under MGC3 and the old v1.05 rules, he played a really masterful game as Spain (I was only a newbie as OE at the time), and he really broke the game with his economic mastery of Spain gained from the gold etc...

Didn't play in MGC3 where by all accounts Ulver was the economic genius, but I did play the later part of the previous grand campaign with him. His war abilities left somewhat to be desired (I beat him in North America as Russia vs his England) despite having no way to reinforce my meager holdings around Quebec. Also his attitude in defeat left a lot to be desired.

Johan - Warmonger. The person who designed both EU1 and EU2, probably knows more than anyone else about the mechanics of the game (with one major exception). I would put him as a warmonger (and a backstabber at that, as MG3 and Tsunami proved), more than an economist. Having said that I haven't really seen him play countries other than Austria and Denmark.

Yes Johan is a warmonger, though not on the same scale as RedPhoenix, Maur and Damocles. Whilst nobody can deny that he stabbed France at the end of Tsunami (still not sure why, seemed a spur of the moment decision), he was a good ally to me and I always felt I could trust him. Where alliances made sense he stuck to them, where they didn't he got out. Sounds like a sensible attitude really.

JohnMK - Warmonger. Haven't really seen him much in action, but is famed for his extortion schemes, and (IMO) tends to be more warmongerish than economy builder.

Played only a couple of short sessions against JohnMK, but strikes me as a warmonger and not to be trusted .

Peter Ebbeson - Economic Warmonger. If there's anyone who knows more about the game mechanics than Johan, it's Peter! A very dangerous opponent, especially since he actually appears reasonable and rational. I shudder to think what he could do with France or Spain.

Peter a warmonger? Only in single play. I've played against Peter probably more than any other player and he in a pure economist at heart and very rarely goes to war, and only then when he thinks he has overwelming odds or is helping an ally. The best economist there is, but he needs to practice his war skills a bit more in MP.

Archduke - Economist. Probably the player closest to me in playing style - loves to keep the balance of powerr and concentrate on building up her power without anyone noticing too much (as Tsunami showed).

A very skillful player and loves to keep the balance of power, swapping alliances at the drop of a hat to do it if necessary. Also loves to see historic countries like Prussia form, and will spend thousands of his own ducats to see it happen if necessary. Perhaps a weakness there that could be exploited by someone . Only fault is that he's liable to go off the rail following a bad standin - but then we all suffer heart palpitations in those sort of circumstances.

Wyvern - Economist. Can't really say that much, except that he is good (if not spectacular, but that is not a bad thing). Certainly made Russia (at least until the end) a force to be reckoned with.

Yep I'm an economist at heart, not really a warmonger, though I never say no to a good opportunity to gain territory .

 

[Johan]

Actually, the stab of France in Tsunami was because I was torn between loyalties.

Between the loyalty to Spain who was my gamelong friend and ally, who I could not simply help destroy, and France who had been a good ally the last twenty years.

The sentimentalist in me made me side with Spain.

I had three very close allies in Tsunami.
Spain and Russia, who I stayed with until the end.
Holland, who betrayed me.

France was growing to become one, but well..

 

[Loke]

=)

As ive only played eastern empires in tsunami and mostly running Persia. I can only comment on ppl I have "met" in my vicinity so to speak.

Victor - first ruler of OE, did some strange things, like asking for "allied" territory... no further comments here ;-)

Oden - Mameluk leader, kept his word and honoured alliances, quite good on the battlefield.

Jarkko - last ruler of OE, also a man of his words, good player. =)

Peter Ebbesen - Mughals, Economy fella, good one...

Wyvvern - Tzar of Russia, ive only met him once on the "fields of glory" and after initial success we were forced to withdraw from russian soil. (Maybe 20 lvls of tech and our lack of leaders, did the trick... ;-) ...). But he has done well with Russia good player, opportunist... =)

Archduke - Didnt see much of him except for the continous yelling something about "Open trade or...." hehe... ;-)

 

[Norrefeldt]

Originally posted by ryoken69
I think this is a bad idea because it may lead to player's getting bashed and people's feelings getting hurt.

I agree, but it can of course be handled well.
Personally I have as little interest in this as in voting on who's the best MP player.
IMO the best player is the most reliable one, being there in time and so on, that is what I value most.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Re: Re: What are your opinions on other EU2 players?

Originally posted by Wyvern

Peter a warmonger? Only in single play. I've played against Peter probably more than any other player and he in a pure economist at heart and very rarely goes to war, and only then when he thinks he has overwelming odds or is helping an ally. The best economist there is, but he needs to practice his war skills a bit more in MP.

As you say, I am most definitely not a warmonger in MP games, as I much prefer gaining my objectives through peaceful means. It can only conclude that my sometimes unconventional targets for warfare (when I finally choose it as the choice of last resort or has it forced on me by an unkind world) has lent me this unjust label as I am, at heart, a peaceful and defensive player.

Evidence of this can be seen in my missing takeover of China in the recent Tsunami game (I estimated an 9/10 success rate before it became human controlled, and about 7/10 after it did in the eighteenth century, falling to 6/10 with European intervention, but rising to 9/10 if the rest of the Mughal Alliance backed me), as well as not crippling Persia when I had her at my mercy - the Ottomans and the Mughals could have cut her in twain, then ended her as a nation had I so desired (all the nice arabic provinces including Oman and Zanzibar to the Ottomans, central Persia including Isfahan and Tabaristanto the Mughals). Thus, while it is true, that I always keep reevaluating odds and adding contingency plans, I seldom carry them out in a warlike fashion. (Unless provoked)

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by PJL

Peter Ebbeson - Economic Warmonger. If there's anyone who knows more about the game mechanics than Johan, it's Peter! A very dangerous opponent, especially since he actually appears reasonable and rational. I shudder to think what he could do with France or Spain.

Ebbesen. And, as noted, I am not a warmonger.

Download this 1679 MP save file (1.05) [384 kb] to see what I can do with Spain in MP starting in 1419. Note that with the latest changes, BB wars will break out for just about any of the player nations (Austria, England, France, Ottomans, Spain, Sweden, Russia) that you choose to start with. Additionally, note that even with the hugely increased maintenance costs of 1.06+, Spain can still field her ...fairly large... 1.05 army and navy.

I am never going to play a major coloniser again in MP, if I can avoid it. It was dreadfully boring. (Well, okay, perhaps as Russia. Tsar Peter I has a certain ring to it, after all )

 

[Prince Eugene]

@ JohnMK

I really don't understand this. I view him as a trustworthy economist. If you do something stupid, of course, he may want to fight you and you should expect that from everyone. Really, I don't understand people that sit around and let people rampage Europe claiming that they just want peace.

 

[TheArchduke]

Re: Re: What are your opinions on other EU2 players?

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
Ebbesen. And, as noted, I am not a warmonger.

Download this 1679 MP save file (1.05) [384 kb] to see what I can do with Spain in MP starting in 1419. Note that with the latest changes, BB wars will break out for just about any of the player nations (Austria, England, France, Ottomans, Spain, Sweden, Russia) that you choose to start with. Additionally, note that even with the hugely increased maintenance costs of 1.06+, Spain can still field her ...fairly large... 1.05 army and navy.

I am never going to play a major coloniser again in MP, if I can avoid it. It was dreadfully boring. (Well, okay, perhaps as Russia. Tsar Peter I has a certain ring to it, after all )

Maybe with the new patches it would become more interesting again? I hate to see Peter waste his talents in the Middle East all the time!

 

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pjl, wonder if any of them still do eu2 mp or up for a comeback

 

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geez victor, u went to dig a 2003topic

 

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geez victor, u went to dig a 2003topic

the problem is that most of the long and interesting campaigns( tsunamies - the discussion threads) have been removed
presentlly i am trying to dig the cute little programm that randomizes goods(not to be confused with modifying the saves, as some mps have done aparentlly).

btw, if anyone still has it(somewhere forgatten on the hard drive) please let me know, would be greatlly appreciated ( it is running in similar manner as the unlimited time patch, forgat who made it).

 

[Mats_SX]

Necromancy

Anyway, this might be the link you want: http://www.geocities.com/moctezumaiam/EU2.html

 

[Chaingun]

Chaingun was here.

 

[Tonioz]

the problem is that most of the long and interesting campaigns( tsunamies - the discussion threads) have been removed
presentlly i am trying to dig the cute little programm that randomizes goods(not to be confused with modifying the saves, as some mps have done aparentlly).

btw, if anyone still has it(somewhere forgatten on the hard drive) please let me know, would be greatlly appreciated ( it is running in similar manner as the unlimited time patch, forgat who made it).

I did custom goods randomizing for last game with bitches Sluthost, HG, ****** and other wankers. No luxury goods in Europe, limited gold. Final setup works good.
I used script for that.

 

[Tonioz]

ah, Damocles the Whiner was in those game too. Was a shitty game

 

[Aladar]

To bad none of the names mentioned participate in the current Eu2 games we plan here, so all i can really say about them is that they left. To bad since we still have a lot of fun here.

 

[Lurken]

Here I thought it was a semi-recent thread =P

But best player, hands down, will always be Daniel A in my opinion. Still remember what he did in the Diplomacy Universalis game...the rest of us got randomized out to new countries, while he got the country in the worst shape, and by the end of the turn, that country was amongst the top three at least.