Whites & Reds Mod announced for Darkest Hour

[Fernando Torres]

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Another mod has been announced for Darkest Hour upcoming title.
Whites & Reds is an ahistorical mod originally based on a pack that should had enhanced Soviet Union in terms of ahistorical alternatives. It soon became Whites & Reds had a whole mod in itself based in a world where Socialism has triumphed in Western Europe instead of Russia after a successful European revolution in 1917 aborting the First World War before the American intervention, with many other various side consequences on the rest of the world.


Main features:
- Playing minors will be now more interesting, you’ll have better opportunities to develop, and most countries have new tech-teams to do so.
- A different event philosophy: W&R had many events but they events don’t drive the story in a linear line like they do in Vanilla. For example the major countries political background isn’t driven by one or two decisions events that allow you to change regime in one day but the results of successive events that may have different consequences.
- A time scale from 1930 to 1948 with the Second World War starting around 1934.
- A reactive and unpredictable situation: War doesn’t come at a given date; you’ll have to observe the world situation in order to react to the events. No longer will you gather your troops in one front knowing that the other neighbours will not react, you’ll have to remain careful in your war planning.
- A revamped tech-tree with a lot of new original elements ranging from infantry tactics, guerilla warfare, cruisers-submarines, “big berthas”, industrial development, communication systems, propaganda, helicopters etc…
- Reworked unit balance to reflect equipments upgrades and make battles last a bit longer in a reasonable way (less than in World in Flames and other mods) to make breakthrough manoeuvres more important.
- Brigade’s changes: Brigades have been overall improved, they’re now considered as additional equipment, cheaper and more useful. Super Heavy Armored Tanks have been reconverted into siege artillery and military police into additional men for infantry (to allow you to make “larger” infantry divisions).
- Tons of new leaders/ministers/tech teams have been added, some pictures have been improved (color remains black & white to keep the graphical unity and simply because it like it) every country has been subject to some changes that may vary to a few additional ministers to a complete rework of leaders for Austria-Hungary and Germany or France in order to remain a bit logical : you didn't expect Petain to work for communist France didn't you ?.
- New graphics, sounds and music to improve immersion.
- French and English languages (French event texts will be re-written slowly after the first release but the tech-tree is fully translated)

Announcement.

 

[Fernando Torres]

Screenshots from old HOI2 version

Abkhaz Cabinet

Bosnian Cabinet

Buryat Cabinet

 

[Fernando Torres]

W&R Japanesse mini AAR by Narakir (old HOI2 version)​

1930. With the beginning of the new year Japan enters in a new area. The Emperor has expressed his wishes to see the country becoming the main great power in Asia at the expense of the decadent westerners...

By this date Japan is a, herm.... democracy because it has a prime minister, a parliament and is a fully sendentarized and industrialized society... However the prime minister Tanaka is know to be an expansionist and for his dislike of socialism and liberalism.

As you can see this is something which is taken in account in W&R... Begin fully industrialised nations allows Japan to have access to a lot tech applications ranging from medicine to actual industrial production, making it able to accomplish the ambitions of a modern society in order to prepare for w... economical growth and population growth because we more people... to make w... work in the factories.

However Japan economy is in critical status since a few years and the crisis generated by the Americans isn't going to make things better...

Some measures where taken just in case... :

As you can see, events have always at least two choices and never forces you to go choose a determinate way but it also comes at a price....

This first actions of the government and the army at the beginning of this year is to improve the people's political correctness with the help of the Kempetai, researching some useful infantry stuff it should already have, improve it's institutions efficiency, studying some British dreadnoughts plans they should already have and letting the general head of the staff and army : Prince Kan'in Kotohito reorganise the army using the centralised command fashion. As you can see, because his imperial majesty has to wear glasses to see things correctly our scientists made some useful visual improvements in the research panel in order to make it more catchy for the eyes...

Then elections came in February...

Tanaka Giichi was re-elected despite the obvious signs of his weak health... he died a few weeks after his re-election letting Inukai Tsuyoshi endorsing the role of prime minister.

During the following month the country remained silent as the rest of the world moved on, but none in Japan cared about the strange AI behaviours and build-up for w... so I'll not lose any time talking about these pesky decadent westerners and their colonial and political problems... yes we are more busy with a Chinese revolt in Taiwan !

Hopefully for the Japanese the revolt was crushed in a few days but it became an good justification to increase the army budget at the great pleasure of Gen. Araki Sado, leader of the most radical militarist faction within the army ranks.

In march 1931 a coup d'état (Kudeta in Japanesse) was attempted...

Fearing even more radical actions the government decided to treat the issue lightly...

Then in june came the Nakamura accident...

A few days later came another accident... more reinforcements came.

Later in the early September after another accident the army finally crossed the Chinese frontier without asking the civil government advice and engaged combat with the Fengtian Clique's Warlord troops...

What will happen then ? Shall the Chinese sends reinforcements to their brothers in the north or will they prefer to sacrifice Manchuria to gain more time ? Will the Japanese civil government be able to repeal the attack or validate it as an official declaration of war ? Shall the militarist use the confusion take action once again in attempting another coup d'etat ? What will be the result of the next elections if they ever occur ? Will the Emperor survive an future assassination attempt ? All the answers could take different paths and to know them you'll have to wait for the mod to be released... and yes this is cruelty.[/CENTER][/QUOTE]

 

[Beleg32]

Awesome

 

[tuore]

I thought this was about the Reds and Whites of Finland.

 

[eleinvisible]

I thought this would be the Russian Civil War scenario, not an alternate history based socialist victories... Still looks very interesting nonetheless.

 

[Fulmen]

Why would European empires gone Communist give up their non-native lands? If anything, Communist countries were historically extremely imperialistic, the best examples being the Soviet Union and Communist China.

EDIT: Then again if this mod is being developed by a Socialist, then I'd understand the utopistic world view...

EDIT2: By the way, White terror in clearly the majority of cases was actually a response to Red terror. Usually the Red terror unleashed a loop of "terrors" from both sides until the conflict was over.

 

[Sectorknight21]

Why would European empires gone Communist give up their non-native lands? If anything, Communist countries were historically extremely imperialistic, the best examples being the Soviet Union and Communist China.

EDIT: Then again if this mod is being developed by a Socialist, then I'd understand the utopistic world view...

You've seen like 10 pictures and a mini-AAR about the mod that was made a while ago, with only a fraction of the world revealed. Get over yourself.

EDIT2: By the way, White terror in clearly the majority of cases was actually a response to Red terror. Usually the Red terror unleashed a loop of "terrors" from both sides until the conflict was over.

So that made it okay?

 

[Fulmen]

So that made it okay?

No. But if we get white terror events we should also get red terror events, usually before the former.

 

[Sectorknight21]

No. But if we get white terror events we should also get red terror events, usually before the former.

Like I said, you've seen only a fraction of the world so far and a few screens of the far east.

And even if they didn't its just a mod, no one's forcing you to play it. And you sure as hell don't have the right to make demands on an independent project being added to the game, especially with such condescending comments.

 

[Fulmen]

Note the word "should". Not demands, but suggestions.

 

[unmerged(66346)]

Wow, thanks to Fernando for posting all of this.

I think I need to clarify a few things about the general context of the mod...

In White & Reds since we've gone into a lot of changes since the first text was written. Due to balance issues but also because it had to make more sense, and make it more coherent on some aspects. World war has to be won normally by the allies, but had a completely different outcome.

The only country in Europe that can be officially tagged as socialist is : Germany which has a quite an ambiguous situation... Tough it's not the only revolutionary minded country. There's a lot of potential elsewhere, especial since the wave of revolution of 1918-20 never happened in most countries and that we start in 1930 at the beginning of the economic crisis and it's consequences.

The mod does not aim for some kind of perfect and coherent alternate reality. The only way, in my humble opinion, to have a something coherent is to read actual history, period.

To Fulmen

Why would European empires gone Communist give up their non-native lands? If anything, Communist countries were historically extremely imperialistic, the best examples being the Soviet Union and Communist China.

European empires didn't lost their colonies, it was just Russia that completely fell apart and it's probably not going to last for long. As you probably saw with the AAR with Japan, so called imperialism/expansionism would be quite important but also national liberations.

EDIT: Then again if this mod is being developed by a Socialist, then I'd understand the utopistic world view...

I must stop you there, this isn't a mod about a perfect world vision or personal taste in politics, I would rather call it a dystopia. This mod does not aim to justify anything or plead any national cause or ideologies the best and the worst like the absurd and the logical are in. It's up to the player to do what he want, we just provide the environment, like all paradox games do.

EDIT2: By the way, White terror in clearly the majority of cases was actually a response to Red terror. Usually the Red terror unleashed a loop of "terrors" from both sides until the conflict was over.

No. But if we get white terror events we should also get red terror events, usually before the former.

There's not going to be any "terror" event, period. The one existing for Japan is just the result of the past decade and more of an introduction.

 

[Fulmen]

Alright, well thanks for clarifying things up.

 

[Ovg]

EDIT: Then again if this mod is being developed by a Socialist, then I'd understand the utopistic world view...

This fail gave me cancer. It's so baaaaad. Also, utopian not utopistic

Moar screens Narakir? But glad it's still being worked on, feared that it was abandoned.

 

[Fulmen]

This fail gave me cancer. It's so baaaaad. Also, utopian not utopistic

Why do you think it was a fail? Everyone with common sense knows Socialists are ignorant daydreamers who can't grasp the fact that the world can never be turned into a place where everything is perfect and everyone is equal. It's simply against the laws of nature.

 

[Ovg]

Every one knows bible beating rightwinger nazis are evil people unable of cooperating and sharing, and would rather let a man starve than SHARE their food.

Narakir, any news about situation in Europe?

 

[Fulmen]

Oh God, now I lol'd so hard. :rofl: "bible beating righwinger nazis"... You should become a comedian.

 

[Sectorknight21]

Every one knows bible beating rightwinger nazis are evil people unable of cooperating and sharing, and would rather let a man starve than SHARE their food.

Narakir, any news about situation in Europe?

Ignore the troll, don't waste your time.

Other than that, how about some screens of the Americas?

 

[unmerged(66346)]

Guys, if you want to argue/troll about politics there's PMs or the OT.

Other than that, how about some screens of the Americas?

Alas, there's not much new things compared to vanilla DH, you can take a look at DH development diary for the US map. However this doesn't mean that America, especially latin America will remain calm and conform to historical expectations.

 

[Ovg]

Sorry Narakir, it was just a joke .

Anyway, did you change China area?