I have tried a dozen times now to get the SU to keep Germany from advancing. It seems impossible to keep Germany from cutting through my lines likes butter. I have Semi-professional infantry and all my artillery and land doctrines maxed. Every single thing I have is better/more advanced then Germany's and I'm sitting in a level 10 fortified province dug in at a max of 40 with a 2-1 ratio of men yet they just walk through like my soldiers aren't there. I purposefully did not do the great officer purge to see if that helped at all it did not. It is not air power pushing me back as I never see a plane involved in any combat. Can ANYONE explain how I have better men, better equipment, maxed out defenses and a 2-1 and sometimes 3 or 4-1 ratio and I still am unable to defeat even 1 German attack? I can play as Germany on Normal/normal and it is NEVER this easy to just push through the SU lines. Even with a stand ground set they will usually destroy 20-30 divisions in less then 2 days MAX. I have tried the scorched earth idea to bleed them and then counter attack but again my soldiers put up 0 fight against the Germans. For S&G I ran a game where I declared war on the allies and I can crush anything they throw at me. What is wrong?
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I have already done this. As I said above I have EVERY advantage, better weapons, better men, better commanders, maxed out defenses, air superiority EVERYTHING and there is nothing at all I can do to stop Germany. I just ran a game where I had 100+ divisions vs. 3 freaking german divsions and they held me long enough for 5 more to arrive in konigsberg. Those 8 destroyed all 100 of my divisions including 10 divisions of tanks.
100 divisions vs. 3 is going to be a loss in any HoI game due to stacking penalties (I think you need to look up what stacking penalties are).
I'm not an idiot I understand the game, I get stacking penalties. Over the dozens of games I have played stacking penalties have never wiped my army like this with any other country. The problem also remains that even on the defensive in my soviet version of the maginot line they walk straight through unopposed. Takes less than 24 hours for anything more than 3 german units to destroy 16-24 heavily entrenched heavily fortified divisions. The values are updated. It matters not where they are or who is commanding them. I have been through every single thing and I cant figure out why the russians melt against germans. I have tried several other things to test like declaring war on the allies or japan. I can whip anyone except the german. I quite literally can't defeat germany anywhere under any circumstances. Has ANYONE ever played as the soviet union and been able to stop germany on the intial thrust?
Ok I figured it out. FINALLY. It is coding in the game. You MUST wait for the Great Patriotic War event. This is why the Soviet Union is useless. I still don't get how I can overrun anyone else except Germany but Germany does have the most/best units after my own. This is a fatal flaw with the game in my opinion. It means you are 100% tied to a "historical game" as SU so you have to just get murdered and retreat until you get the event and pray you still have enough army to push Germany back. So 90% of them time you will never be able to recover as the rest of the game plays out random and Germany is usually ungodly powerful b time IC bothers to give you the Patriotic war event.
Im not getting the patriotic war event triggering. I dont think it will unless u lose a certain amount of provs. But i have noticed that if i build level 10 forts behind rivers from the black sea to the balctic on the original border before u get poland and put 12 divs in each Germany doesnt DOW SU. But then u have the prob of not getting the patriotic war happening and the AI will DOW Germany for u in 42 or 43 depending on how the germans r doing. Doing scorched earth is a very bad idea. After all its ur territory and when u retake it u suffer just like the Germans do. the infrustructor drops to nearly 0 and u cant get supplies to ur units and it takes years to get the level back up. The furtter u advance after the scorched prov the worse ur units will fight due to lack of supplies and org dropping due to it. If its just 1 prov its ok. but if u do every prov game over cause u cant advance again to beat the germans. Unless u want to wait 10 years to build the infrastructior back up. I tried it and it was the worst thing i did. Its not just the Germans the SU has trouble with They fight badly against everyone throughout the game even when u get the patrioitic war event. even though i can beat finland and annex them it takes a lot of divs and u lose a lot of men. Usually about 80% per div per battle. yet the finish troops suffer 0 losses even though they lost and have to retreat. I find that i have to put all my IC on reinforcements to to try and get my units back into fighting shape and it stays like that most of the time. So i cant produce any new units or supplies and consumer goods suffer as well. I have to use cheats to get the dissent down cause no IC available for anything except reinforcements and i have to use cheats to get supplies for the same reason. After just 1 battle i needed 2000 IC on reinforcements. I only had 300 to use on everything. In the real war it was winter that defeated the Germans not the russians. but they did fight better cause they had the winter gear while the Germans didnt. But in the game the Germans fight even better during the winter and the russians even worse. I found by getting winter II tech it made the fighting capacity in the winter worse not better. In fact it seemed to help Germany get better. Im using Arma with IC 1.03beta. the game seems to have developed some bugs i never had before. But think that might be the beta patch. Like units no longer retreating when they get beaten. they just keep rallying in the same prov they got defeated in. If i move my troops out they rally and recapture it.. Even when i have them surrounded and they have nowhere to retreat too they just stay where they r. Im getting it with every country i play. But SU is worst hit by this new bug. For some reason SU units get destroyed when they lose a battle even if they have some where to retreat too. Even when attacking or supporting an attack from a diff prov. Not sure if its a bug in 1.03 beta or the game has gone nuts for some reason. In the AOD+IC the cost of miltia shot up to over 200 IC if i put arty with them and they were only taking 1 day to build and 0 retooling lol. that was with 1.02. but it corrected it self after 2 years game time and went back to normal. then went again when i reloaded the game next time i played. But its not just HOI 2 im having problems with. so it might be something on my PC screwing games up cause it is doing crazy things on all my paradox games but all the non paradox games r working fine. So whatever the problem is its only affecting paradox games.
HI, I also do not like the GPW event so i have changed it and increased the GDE for all events and i think that by Jan 41 it is 0.9. You should give my MOD a try. I would be interested in your feed back.
Check the Modders section and download "DB's AI mod", make sure you DL the version that works with IC's version. Cliff would you please double space your text, i can't read 15 lines in a row,
Cliff, I am also noticing divs getting overrun by attacking divs. what i think is happening is that on the start of a new day another combat starts between retreating divs. and att. divs.
The retreating divs loses the combat and org is 0. it also delays the retreat by the hours of combat and the att. divs moves into the next prov and retreat units disappear..
I am playing with ic 1.03 beta 8 over Arm.
What i have seen happening is that Ger. armor moves 3 or 4 provs past the front line, destroys all sov units, and then the Sov close the front with units from the flank and 50% of time encircle germ armor and destroy it. Germ still takes provs. and moves into Russia but they lose all thier armor. Not real for me. old combat system works fine.
Devs, can you put an option in the start up screen to turn ON/Off, combat for retreating units.
The retreating divs loses the combat and org is 0. it also delays the retreat by the hours of combat and the att. divs moves into the next prov and retreat units disappear..
I am playing with ic 1.03 beta 8 over Arm.
What i have seen happening is that Ger. armor moves 3 or 4 provs past the front line, destroys all sov units, and then the Sov close the front with units from the flank and 50% of time encircle germ armor and destroy it. Germ still takes provs. and moves into Russia but they lose all thier armor. Not real for me. old combat system works fine.
Devs, can you put an option in the start up screen to turn ON/Off, combat for retreating units.
Hi kpjb,
you can't stop german attack because the soviet divisions are not entrenched the first war's day. This situation is like the history succes.
I've played with Soviet Union and I can stop german advance when the Patriotic war gives modifiers my units and, as in reality, the mud (rasputitza) and winter gives penalty attacks for german units.
You try the fight the first days and you build new units for later but remember that germans get the surprise in first time whatever you do.
I usually recruit my units during the summer 41'. When the patriotic war is triggered, I put my industrial capacity to strenghten the battered units because there is a modifier that increases 50% speed boost, I think.
You do not let that german envolving your units and you trust in the strategy to stop the germans
you can't stop german attack because the soviet divisions are not entrenched the first war's day. This situation is like the history succes.
I've played with Soviet Union and I can stop german advance when the Patriotic war gives modifiers my units and, as in reality, the mud (rasputitza) and winter gives penalty attacks for german units.
You try the fight the first days and you build new units for later but remember that germans get the surprise in first time whatever you do.
I usually recruit my units during the summer 41'. When the patriotic war is triggered, I put my industrial capacity to strenghten the battered units because there is a modifier that increases 50% speed boost, I think.
You do not let that german envolving your units and you trust in the strategy to stop the germans
U cant stop the Germans from enveloping u. They deploy elite units behind the SU lines and cut ur units off. I was getting it when i played Germany as well. I was getting a popup to tell me a new elite unit deployed. When i went looking for it i would find them near moscow. As Germany they soon got destroyed due to lack of supplies. But playing as SU they move around attacking every unit they see and suffer no losses or org even when cut off from supply. The AI units also move a lot faster than player units do. IE a AI tank unit will move 6 provs in the time it takes the players tank to move 1 prov. Ive been in a battle where it took my units 6 months to retreat But the AI units only took a few days to move from the attacking prov to the prov i was retreating into. It was mtn terrain and i had mtn units. The AI was using arm which is supposed to be really slow in mtn and fight badly. But it only took 1 German panzer div to defeat 12 mtn divs in mountains behind a river and in land forts. I know the Russians could not stop the Germans at 1st. But when the winter arrived they stopped them. But that does not stop the Germans either. They just keep going and nothing stops them. But playing as Germany i find it nearly impossible to beat SU. Im also finding the UK impossible to play in IC due to their main source of manpower being taken away IE India. Up till 43 the 80% of the Brit army was made up of commenwealth troops serving in the Brit army under brit control. Mostly Indian divs. Till El alamain there was never more than 1 Brit div in africa. The rest were commonwealth divs. The arm divs were brit the inf were Indian, S. African, Australian and New zealanders. The UK is also handicapped by not having Eygpt. They cant move into Egypt till Italy DOW them. By the time the Brits can start moving forward the Italions r at the suez canal. U cant even build up an army at Suez cause its only 1 prov and the port is to small to supply more than 5 divs. That port is the only way to get supplies to them as Egypt wont allow supplies through their provs till after They r in the war. I used to play the UK all the time and usually defeated Germany on my own by doing amphibs in Denmark and mocing to take Berlin while they Germans were pinned down by the French and Poland. I would bring all the Anzac and S. African units to N.Africa to deal with the Italions and the divs in Indian to the UK. Form them into corps ready for the start of the war. But cant do that in Iron cross. Arma was better in some ways to iron cross but iron cross has got some good stuff in it as well. It has improved the game for some countries but made it worse for others. SU suffers badly in IC as does China and the UK. If ur fast enough China can be strong enough to repel Japans attacks. But u have to move very fast and take all the other factions in china. But be careful cause if u attack in the wrong order the other factions will attack u from all sides. U dont need to build many units with china though. When u annex a faction u get all the divs that survived the war. So i find going after their VP provs without destroying their units u get a big army without having to build any. Their usually a higher level than what china has as well.