Why does the HRE start out with No Vassal Kings?

[Despot_Of_Greece]

Or, at least, I think it does. Started in 1066 as the Duke of Westphalia and Eastphalia, quickly created the King-Tier Grandy Duchy of Saxony. My son inherited the Grand Duchy and would lead a successful rebellion against the Emperor, leading to him becoming the Emperor himself. Now, the Duke of Tuscany is my heir, and I was about to make him King of Italy, only to discover that I have the "No Vassal Kings" law in place. Wouldn't it make more sense for a decentralized realm like the HRE to not be able to control something like what titles Vassals can create until you hit Medium CA? How does it make sense that you need High Crown Authority and Late Feudal Administration to allow yourself and your vassals to make Kingdoms?

And how was I able to make a Kingdom when the law states "No Vassal Kings?"

Also, CK2+ seems to break the allow_laws console command, is there any way I can use the console to fix my problem?

 

[schwarherz]

Or, at least, I think it does. Started in 1066 as the Duke of Westphalia and Eastphalia, quickly created the King-Tier Grandy Duchy of Saxony. My son inherited the Grand Duchy and would lead a successful rebellion against the Emperor, leading to him becoming the Emperor himself. Now, the Duke of Tuscany is my heir, and I was about to make him King of Italy, only to discover that I have the "No Vassal Kings" law in place. Wouldn't it make more sense for a decentralized realm like the HRE to not be able to control something like what titles Vassals can create until you hit Medium CA? How does it make sense that you need High Crown Authority and Late Feudal Administration to allow yourself and your vassals to make Kingdoms?

And how was I able to make a Kingdom when the law states "No Vassal Kings?"

Also, CK2+ seems to break the allow_laws console command, is there any way I can use the console to fix my problem?

This is a post for the "questions and answers" thread, but I'll answer anyway. Historically speaking, in the HRE the Kaiser was the only king. It wasn't really "decentralized" until it began to decline. Once the decline began, the kaiser's vassals started doing tricky things like calling themselves "King in Prussia" instead of "King of Prussia" to get around the restriction against vassal kings. So far as why it's so hard to change it, it's precisely so that you don't "fix it" immediately. The HRE, as a large empire, is meant to be hard to rule.

 

[ulix]

I never understood the mechanism behind stem-duchie creation. How can I create it if I'm a vassal?
And it seems like the A.I. can create it for someone else as Kaiser, but I can't if I become Kaiser...

 

[Aerkhanite]

Stem duchies are exempt from the no vassal kings law.

 

[Kripox]

This is a post for the "questions and answers" thread, but I'll answer anyway. Historically speaking, in the HRE the Kaiser was the only king. It wasn't really "decentralized" until it began to decline. Once the decline began, the kaiser's vassals started doing tricky things like calling themselves "King in Prussia" instead of "King of Prussia" to get around the restriction against vassal kings. So far as why it's so hard to change it, it's precisely so that you don't "fix it" immediately. The HRE, as a large empire, is meant to be hard to rule.

Wasn't there a King of Bohemia? Pretty sure that was a title that existed separately from the Holy Roman Emperor title which was connected to the King of Germany/King of the Germans title. Or maybe I'm just being a dumbass.

 

[schwarherz]

Wasn't there a King of Bohemia? Pretty sure that was a title that existed separately from the Holy Roman Emperor title which was connected to the King of Germany/King of the Germans title. Or maybe I'm just being a dumbass.

There was. But it was an honorific occasionally bestowed by the emperor on a Duke of Bohemia until the Golden Bull of Sicily in 1212 established an actual hereditary line as an exception to the general rule/law that there were no Kings but the Kaiser

 

[cchiu23]

This is a post for the "questions and answers" thread, but I'll answer anyway. Historically speaking, in the HRE the Kaiser was the only king. It wasn't really "decentralized" until it began to decline. Once the decline began, the kaiser's vassals started doing tricky things like calling themselves "King in Prussia" instead of "King of Prussia" to get around the restriction against vassal kings. So far as why it's so hard to change it, it's precisely so that you don't "fix it" immediately. The HRE, as a large empire, is meant to be hard to rule.

ehhh it was pretty much 'decentralized' after Charlemagne, but yeah, the only other king inside the HRE was bohemia