Why is the command console locked?

[CrusaderKing919]

I really want to know.
I’ve bought many Paradox games when I had a PC. I just recently got a console. I had cancer and it’s a long story but I don’t have a PC anymore.

Anyway one of my favorite things to do in Europa 4 and Vicky 2 and Ck2 was use console commands. Honestly in a game like this such as when I had Galactici Civilizations 2, I enjoy watching the other civilizations develop and fight one another more than grow mine. I prefer to stay a super strong isolated power that intervenes in the wars every now and then.

Sometimes I do play normally but that isn’t even the point. What i don’t understand is why I pay the same price but the PC version basically has cheat codes you all wouldn’t even take the time to find a way to give console players. I had a bad feeling about getting one of these games on console and I’m sure some elitist who doesn’t even have a clue why I enjoy these games is going to tell me to git gud. Well I shouldn’t have to, I paid the same price as a PC player who doesn’t have to because he/she can use the console commands.

Even worse I have literally come on this site looking for console commands. I mean let’s not pretend nobody on this forum uses them. So yeah, this does feel like a slap in the face. Ark has a command console. So why doesn’t this? Or are we going to pretend Ark and Subnautica don’t have command consoles and treat me like the infant console gamers must apparently be since we are not worthy to use the command console.

 

[Davor]

I can be wrong here, but I believe it's more of a Microsoft/Sony issue. They do not allow it. Same happened for games like Skyrim and Fallout 3/NV/4 games as well. Ironcially, consoles are NOT ALLOWED to use console commands. In other words console players are not allowed to use them because it's a "cheat" mode even if achievements were disallowed and a single player game that doesn't effect anyone. It's not Paradox or the developers (sorry forgot their name) who say no, it's Mircosoft and Sony sadly who are saying no.

 

[XavierHorovitz]

Sims 4 on console has console commands. Just saying that it technically is possible. I don't mind either way though

 

[Davor]

Sims 4 on console has console commands. Just saying

I didn't know that. I guess I am wrong, or there is some work that companies need to do with Microsoft or Sony then to get the exceptions?

 

[CrusaderKing919]

I didn't know that. I guess I am wrong, or there is some work that companies need to do with Microsoft or Sony then to get the exceptions?

Why does Ark and Submautica let you use the console commands then in a single player or private server?

They most certainly could have let console players use the command console. Instead they gave us the middle finger and locked it.

 

[CodingFox]

Console commands is something console players are absolutely not used to. As are mods or any other kind of deeply tinkering with your game beyond what was initially created by the developers. As a console player myself (and former hardcore Pc gamer) I also have to admit my interest in such things has nearly vanished (just saying before anyone thinks that console players just don’t know what they are missing. Most „console players“ also own a pc and are pc players to or have been).

With that said, I still understand the fun you get from using console commands and that my above statements are no reason for the devs that would prevent them from implementing such features. But I still somehow guess that the priority for such thing and the requests are pretty low.

 

[CrusaderKing919]

Console commands is something console players are absolutely born used to. As are mods or any other kind of deeply tinkering with your game beyond what was initially created by the developers. As a console player myself (and former hardcore Pc gamer) I also have to admit my interest in such things has nearly vanished (just saying before anyone thinks that console players just don’t know what they are missing. Most „console players“ also own a pc and are pc players to or have been).

With that said, I still understand the fun you get from using console commands and that my above statements are no reason for the devs that would prevent them from implementing such features. But I still somehow guess that the priority for such thing and the requests are pretty low.

But from my understanding the console commands are usually left over from play testing to help test the game. I don’t even think they would have done much besides give console players access to it.

It’s more frustrating I can’t actually get an answer from anyone who has anything to do with the game. No we’ll just hide from addressing your grievance after you buy the deluxe edition. I don’t want an addition, I literally just want access to a tool left over from play testing that I know the game has. It’s a PC port not a stand alone version developed from the ground up for consoles from what i understand.

Here half way into the work day Eastern Standard Time and I still can’t actually get an acceptable explanation.

 

[superdeluxe]

Console commands is something console players are absolutely not used to. As are mods or any other kind of deeply tinkering with your game beyond what was initially created by the developers. As a console player myself (and former hardcore Pc gamer) I also have to admit my interest in such things has nearly vanished (just saying before anyone thinks that console players just don’t know what they are missing. Most „console players“ also own a pc and are pc players to or have been).

With that said, I still understand the fun you get from using console commands and that my above statements are no reason for the devs that would prevent them from implementing such features. But I still somehow guess that the priority for such thing and the requests are pretty low.

With Paradox Mods and Microsoft working together to create a new platform for Console games (Allowing mods for Stellaris, Skylines and Mars in the future), They should absolutely add in Console commands. Unless there is a technical reason not too

 

[CodingFox]

You know that developers are actually also working. Don’t be impatient it’s not like anyone here can actually demand an immediate answer to every question and especially not when it’s about a feature most wont even think about

 

[CrusaderKing919]

You know that developers are actually also working. Don’t be impatient it’s not like anyone here can actually demand an immediate answer to every question and especially not when it’s about a feature most wont even think about

Uh I have a job too, and guess what part of the job is when you want to sell stuff. Addressing issues your customers have.

So get off your dev defending high horse Mr. Hero. I have every right to demand an answer. I paid the same as a PC player didn’t I? Other games have access to console commands on consoles. But you want to tell me I have no right to ask why the console commands are locked on console? Did I buy a cheaper and inferior version? They sure didn’t market it as an inferior version on the Xbox store.

And guess what? Here I am home from work A day later with no answer after spending over 70$. But you think I need to be patient?

I wish i could tell a customer they need to be patient when they want to know the status on their vehicle repair. Yeah, we’d see how long they were my customer. “Just be patient, you’ll have an answer when you get an answer.”

I’m not asking them to fix it or do anything right now except explain the status of the damn thing. I think I have every right to demand an answer. I’m not demanding they add it in or change the game. But I do demand my question is answered. I am owed that, I paid them.

Even if they say “we have no plans to add it in” that is fine. But I have every right to have my question answered within an entire work day. That simply is not acceptable in most business practice. Try owning a business where there is actual competition and try pulling that crap. Of course in gaming when you make the only grand strategy game worth a damn on console you can act like that.

 

[Badesumofu]

Console commands are a very 'PC gamer' thing. I never expect them when playing games on a console.

I don't want to get into your situation or why you don't have a PC because that's your business and I respect that you probably don't want to really share that here, but it does strike me from reading your post that you have more the mindset of a PC gamer than a console gamer. It may be something you have to either adjust to or look at coming back to PC gaming.

What I sort of mean here is that console gaming has historically been a platform where you get fewer choices, but the ones you do get work consistently. On PC we expect to have the ability to do what we want on the understanding that it might break. With a few clicks I could play a 3000 star galaxy on PC (or 10 000) or do all sorts of other things. It's the nature of each platform.

Console gamers like that 'it just works', PC gamers like that 'I can do whatever I want!'. Big generalisation I know, but it mostly holds up pretty well.

 

[CrusaderKing919]

Console commands are a very 'PC gamer' thing. I never expect them when playing games on a console.

I don't want to get into your situation or why you don't have a PC because that's your business and I respect that you probably don't want to really share that here, but it does strike me from reading your post that you have more the mindset of a PC gamer than a console gamer. It may be something you have to either adjust to or look at coming back to PC gaming.

What I sort of mean here is that console gaming has historically been a platform where you get fewer choices, but the ones you do get work consistently. On PC we expect to have the ability to do what we want on the understanding that it might break. With a few clicks I could play a 3000 star galaxy on PC (or 10 000) or do all sorts of other things. It's the nature of each platform.

Console gamers like that 'it just works', PC gamers like that 'I can do whatever I want!'. Big generalisation I know, but it mostly holds up pretty well.

You’re probably right. It’s just frustrating some games like Ark do have the console commands.

But I shouldn’t have gotten nasty with that guy or insult the devs, so I’m sorry everyone. I just want to enjoy these games like I used to. I miss crusader kings 2 so much I bought every dlc I had all the mods from game of thrones to Warhammer. But I just don’t understand how Ark can basically have a command console so it gives off the impression it can be done. Now I’ve seen sims 4 has a command console some one said. Seeing games do have it sometimes makes it frustrating. I wouldn’t care if this was bold new territory I’m talking about. But it doesn’t seem to be that.

 

[randallz]

You’re probably right. It’s just frustrating some games like Ark do have the console commands.
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Seeing games do have it sometimes makes it frustrating. I wouldn’t care if this was bold new territory I’m talking about. But it doesn’t seem to be that.

Live with it. Don't expect that because game X does something, game Y should also do it. It's ridiculous to expect that. It's as idiotic as saying because Dig Dug lets you inflate enemies, Super Mario should as well.

Yes that was a ridiculous comparison. But so was yours.

 

[randallz]

If I had a nickel for every time someone could not understand why one game does something and another game doesn't I'd never have to work another day in my life. You don't understand how software works. Getting "uppity" about it doesn't mean you are right (and yes, you're the uppity one, not me and the others trying to explain this).

 

[CrusaderKing919]

If I had a nickel for every time someone could not understand why one game does something and another game doesn't I'd never have to work another day in my life. You don't understand how software works. Getting "uppity" about it doesn't mean you are right (and yes, you're the uppity one, not me and the others trying to explain this).

What a load of nonsense. You expect me to believe the simple commands of adding credits and researching all technology has anything to do with software limitations give me a break. You can literally use brute force on PS3 to edit saves to do the stuff like that and you’re going to lie to my face about simple console commands like research all techs and survey all planets?

I’m not talking about editing the damn INi File or playing in the file folder I’m talking basic console commands. Don’t try feeding me garbage.

 

[randallz]

Whatever. You obviously are ill-informed, and have no desire to learn, so trying to reason with you is fruitless. I have decades of experience in this. I'm not apologizing for the way things are, just stating facts.

However, I'll *TRY* to give you a clue. Xbox =|= PC. Xbox =|= PS4. PS4 =|= PC. ARK =|= Stellaris.

That last one is the most important of all.

 

[CrusaderKing919]

Whatever. You obviously are ill-informed, and have no desire to learn, so trying to reason with you is fruitless. I have decades of experience in this. I'm not apologizing for the way things are, just stating facts.

No one but you has remotely given a reason other than they thought Sony and Microsoft didn’t allow it. No one has remotely given a reason besides your fictitious nonsense.

Clearly you don’t understand adding credits, resources is simply editing more than likely one line of code. Similar to when you find the code and edited it back in the day with a gameshark to add money or freeze health. All a command console does is edit the memory for you. You haven’t taught me anything but spewed gibberish about all games are different. Well editing the code and values has never been different for me. Not editing with gameshark not with brute force and not on PC with the dang save opened in text or notepad. Meant to say cheat trainer since from what I remember paradox saves were not encrypted and are pretty straight forward to edit. But cheat trainer I could easily find the values I want and edit them or freeze them. So I know it’s not hard to change the values in games. And there was not much different in the technique of searching for code either. Create a variable search for the variable and repeat until it is narrowed down.

Who do you think you’re fooling?

 

[randallz]

*YOU* say it is ''fictitious", because you don't understand what I (and others) told you. Bringing up strawman arguments (ie, game x does this so game y should as well) isn't going to make you "right", either.
****edit**** Just saw another post of yours...you are one of those people that think "the customer is always right." As with my above statement that if I had nickel for everytime someone who does not understand software says it "isn't that hard" was wrong, if I had a penny for all the idiots that think the customer is always right, I again would never work another day in my life.
Done with you... I should have ignored you 3 posts ago.

 

[CrusaderKing919]

*YOU* say it is ''fictitious", because you don't understand what I (and others) told you.

Done with you... I should have ignored you 3 posts ago.

I don’t think you understand what others told me.

Again you’re the only one who has made this claim. And again you really haven’t even made a claim besides I don’t understand software which has nothing to do with editing in game values. In fact the basis of console games and “debug” rooms and players reaching them prove this incredibly false. This is without developer support to edit the games memory at all. Though third party software is required to get access to the games memory like a gameshark or brute force or cheat trainer.

Yet here you are talking about software limits me from using the add energy command?

Yeah keep telling yourself you’re a tech guru. Keep on dreaming that dream.

I just saw where you edited the rest of your moronic comment. I don’t believe the customer is always right, I believe that customers who do business with me deserve timely answers to questions. I can’t believe how retarded some of you sheep who sit at a desk all day actually are.

You don’t have multi-million dollar trucking companies depending on your services. My father can’t afford me to go pissing off his clients. It’s the difference between actually providing highly competitive service and the laid back technology sector of grand strategy gaming.

Oh I’m sure you’ll have the nerve to call me a grease monkey etc. Yet your life literally depends on guys like me repairing the trucks, trailers, heavy construction equipment, emergency vehicles that make society function far more than video games.

Thanks for playing.

 

[CodingFox]

Is there any reason for all this negativity and hate?

Sorry but to get a few things straight:
-Yes, the PC version has the feature and other games on consoles (I only know of Ark the moment) have them too. Still it’s very very uncommon to implement such a feature in console games for various reasons.

-you have every right to ask about this. I absolutely see no reason not to. Maybe it would be easy to add as it’s already somewhere in the source. Maybe it wasn’t a decision to remove it just because it’s uncommon on consoles, maybe they did it because they wanted to prevent the game from breaking as the console would allow players to create things the go beyond the resource limit of the platforms.

-with that beeing said, all that is no reason to come here and „demand“ answers immediately. That’s absolutely no good behavior. This is just a forum, where people can help each other’s and discuss topics. There is no guarantee that someone from the team is reading every single post or answering it. And i am sure the chances lower drastically if they see people behaving like kids. If there is something imported you would like to be answered or need help with, it’s better to directly write an email or use any of the other methods to contact paradox instead of posting on a forum in the hope someone with the answers finds it.