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Just getting the hang of playing Russia in the GC. I figured I needed to declare war on Kazan before my troops could move against them which was fine.

In most cases i'm okay, when I want to attack one of Kazans nations I move my troops in their and then work from their.

However Tambow is causing me real grief and I can't work out why :( Its held by Kazan, sometime I can move troops in their sometimes I can't. I notice I've just one a battle their but my troops are breaking so they're heading for the hills :( However troops in other provinces now won't move into Tambow?

Any thoughts?

I've also noticed that some of the Troops are called Army of Poland and Swedish army. These are under my control - are they mine? I'm not allied to either of these nations?
 
Are you trying to move rather small armies into that province? AFAIK, your army must be at least equal to the strength of the fortress in the province. If the fortress is for example level 2, you must have at least 10k infantry or 30 artillery (or something like that) in order to move in there and lay siege.
I think 'Army of Poland' and 'Swedish Army' just are names of some of your armies (Russia probably had an army for guarding the Swedish border, an army for guarding the Poles etc). There is a text file somewhere in your Db directory (don´t remember which file) where you find the names that your armies will get when you form new armies.
 
Archibold, I experienced this as well when playing the American Revolution scenario. Sometimes I couldn't move into Nova Scotia and when I could, and fought and won a battle, my men would retreat from the province.

I finally figured out that if I moved a lot of men into the province they would stay put after a fight...which leads me to believe that Grenadiers point is correct. If you fight in the province you have to have enough survivors to lay siege, other wise your men leave the area.

This of course makes laying siege to a high level fortress in a low level supply province a real pain. Attrition devastates you and you need to keep sending in men just to maintain the siege.
 
OK I think i've found the answer in the manual that the troops have to be at least the size of the garrison to enter.

I guess the garison strength would add multipliers to this figure

What i'm not sure - and this appears to be happening in tambow, is if the garrison increases because the garison builds more troops. Does a battle need to take place to eject the occupying troops or does the majority garrison just cause the auto rejection.

My gut feeling is that a battle needs to take place. However win or loose if the garrison is then bigger the occupying troop are ejected - this must be a bug if true

Any body have any slants/thoughts/experiences on this
 
Aha. I just experienced something like this. I usually don't move small armies through another nation's province. I was trying to move 2000 infantry into or through Bohemia. The thing is that I controlled the province (I had recently succesfully beseiged it). I THINK I was able to move through but not into it; in other words I could not click on the province as a destination. What makes matters more complicated is that I was Austria (and so the Holy Roman Emperor) and so can move through any provinces in HRE while at war. I think there's a combination bug (at least with HRE) and minimum force rule.
 
OK I have a slant on this.

I was in Tambow with approx 4000 troops the The Fortress was marked as minimal.

The town then built more troops which then attacked my troops. I won the battle but my troops in a strong state then exited the province.

What would be useful:

What are the conditions for allowing the besieging of a town

What are the conditions for allowing the cover of a town

If these change is it right that an army may then be ejected even if they win the battle?

Have I lost the plot;)
 
My guess is that as soon as the troops were built your troops were forced out first (because you need a minimum number in an enemy province) but since they were still in the province at the time (though moving out) a battle broke out. Did you right click on them to see if you could cancel their move out of the province? If you had lost men in the battle then it's possible you would be forced to leave anyway.
 
Originally posted by Archibolde
Possibly. I didn't try to stop them moving out and as you say one may have happened before the other.

Though it would be good to know the rules governing troops in provinces. It seems the program is trying to be too helpful. Why not just let the troops get slaughtered?

Miles
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So your saying that you would prefer that your troops just went up in smoke, Poff, instead of retreating ??

I'd rather keep it as it is =)
 
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