Will it be possible to trade towns for money with neighbouring dukes?

[Deserteur]

It came into my mind that exactly this happened here in Germany during the period of the crusades (the game period of CK).

My town, being between the duchy of Cologne and the duchy of Berg, first belonged to Cologne. But when the crusade started the archbishop of Cologne needed money and therefore gave our city to the duke of Berg in exchange for money.

Wouldn't it be nice to implent this into the game? If it is already included excuse my question

 

[Norgesvenn]

From what I have gathered, land inheritance seems to be more due to marriages etc than buying land. Interesting idea, though.

One can only cross one's fingers and hope.

 

[Barkdreg]

Land buying was quite important during the end of the period.
Burgundy bought many land trying to connect the two parts of it's realm.

 

[Snall]

I def like the idea and it shouldn't be that hard to implament...then again the only code i ever learned was java...but anyway..

 

[Deserteur]

I don't know if such small towns are included and if not, you could simply lower the "tax value" in the province the city you sold is in. Then the tax value of the neighbouring province of the buyer will be raised by the same amount.

 

[Snall]

I was thinking by town he meant province, the provinces are going to be much smaller so it should work out..man if this game does what I want like HOI did...i'm gonna be so happy..still neeeeed the Conan EU strat game though...pff.

 

[N Katsyev]

Selling a province, or even selling part of a province (tax value) is definitely a great idea.

 

[unmerged(8022)]

Selling land would be a great improvment

 

[unmerged(2456)]

It's a good idea, but it should be carefully implimented, and it shouldn't be any large scale purchases. I'd say you could only sell crown provinces, and only to certain people, except the church, whom you should be able to 'donate' provinces to.

The problem comes when you conquer, sell, reconquer, sell. So the only way i can see to avoid this is that by selling you reliquish all claims to that land.

I think you should also be able to sell them to merchants who want to create free city-states.

The other thing is, you shouldn't be able to simply 'buy' any land you want, even if you have a claim to it. The best way to do this would be that you could never request to buy lands, but only sell them for certain price. Although then, you may not need a claim to it when its being sold to you, you could get the claim that way. Of course, not everyone's gonna see it that way....

 

[unmerged(5367)]

Originally posted by J. Banér
Selling land would be a great improvment

And create more smily realms

That is one aar from eu2 where someone playing france, had made sure spain had some german provinces.. constituting a smile!

 

[Snall]

You should be able to buy anything a lord will sell, it will be EXPENSIVE. Like, 20 years of the provinces earnings or somthing..but of course if u sell it u relinquish any claim u have on it..because after having it..u sold it..heh.

 

[unmerged(5367)]

Originally posted by Snall
You should be able to buy anything a lord will sell, it will be EXPENSIVE. Like, 20 years of the provinces earnings or somthing..but of course if u sell it u relinquish any claim u have on it..because after having it..u sold it..heh.

And correspondently getting holds if you buy?
20*yearly income sound nice.. somewhat expensive

 

[Syt]

How often exactly did such events occur on a larger scale during the game's time period?

I remember such a feature was dismissed for EU2 because it happened so scarcely that it was better handled by events.

 

[Aetius]

There is one case though which might be interesting: provinces buying their own independence, they would then become a city state.

 

[Deserteur]

As mentioned above this happened quite often. i.e. Burgundy tried to buy large scales of land to connect its two realms as someone mentioned above.

Maybe I can find out how much was paid for my town, so we will have some relations. But I think that it should be high prices for the towns, if this will be implented in the game. Implenting this by events is not good at all in my eyes, because then too many events will happen.

It would be good to see an ingame pic of the map of the Western part of Germany. So I could see if it would be possible to implent it

But seriously events won't work well. And if they would, what I don't believe it will be too many and make the game too historical.

 

[unmerged(3204)]

Originally posted by Deserteur
Will it be possible to trade towns for money with neighbouring dukes?

Yes, you may give away your demesne (excluding capital) provinces for money, prestige, promise of military support, as a dowry, and as a gift.

There is however one minor detail: your heir, who would normally get this provinces after you, will still hold CB on this lands...

Boreal_s
Duke in Red

 

[unmerged(485)]

Re: Re: Will it be possible to trade towns for money with neighbouring dukes?

Originally posted by boreal_s
Yes, you may give away your demesne (excluding capital) provinces for money, prestige, promise of military support, as a dowry, and as a gift.

There is however one minor detail: your heir, who would normally get this provinces after you, will still hold CB on this lands...

Boreal_s
Duke in Red

Mmmm, more choice tidbits from the Duke in Red.
Hope the AI can't be swindled in this type of deal.

My flagging interest has once again picked up momentum.

 

[Snall]

I am quite happy that the Red Duke abounds.

 

[Idiotboy]

Re: Re: Will it be possible to trade towns for money with neighbouring dukes?

Originally posted by boreal_s
Yes, you may give away your demesne (excluding capital) provinces for money, prestige, promise of military support, as a dowry, and as a gift.

There is however one minor detail: your heir, who would normally get this provinces after you, will still hold CB on this lands...

Boreal_s
Duke in Red

That seems like a very good dev plan.

 

[Deserteur]

yes this sounds very good