Women really DID have it bad back then, eh?

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Playing on the latest patch of DV, I tried playing as the Duchy of Toscana in the 1066 scenario. It's one of the unusual states ruled by a woman (Mathilda of Canossa) right from the beginning. Better yet, she starts with papal control

However, after appointing advisors, I noticed her vassals weren't terribly impressed (their loyalty was slipping slowly into the tank). I checked the details on their loyalty and noticed a -1.0 for Mathilda's diplomatic score, which was strange since her combined stat was well into the 20s . . . except it WASN'T. Her Chancellor wasn't giving her any extra diplomacy. In fact, none of her advisors were boosting her stats as evidenced by the lack of parenthetical numbers next to her base stats. Is that a bug, or does a female ruler really operate at that heinous a disadvantage?

Another possible bug popped up after she had her first sons. They were in succession AFTER every last male courtier in her court, and the flag in the upper right corner claimed she had no successors. I tried changing the succession law from salic primo to semisalic primo with no effect. I'm sure I could probably work around the problem by going with elective law and lavishing a son with fiefs, though I greatly suspect that when Mathilda dies, the game will pronounce me a loser (and yes, I could get around that too, but I find it silly that a female lord in her own right can't pass her titles to her sons and not cause you to lose when she dies).

So, am I simply confused, or are these bugs? . . . Both??

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Rather strange bugs, I loaded up as Mathilda and everything just works as it is supposed to work.

She starts with her mother as chancellor, who has a diplomacy of 2. Which, together with Mathilda gave her vassals a loyalty modifier of +1.0 because of the diplomacy.

When I changed the chancellor to someone else, with a higher diplomacy the modifier increased to +2.5

Can you post a screenshot of your game ?

 

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if the bug persists after reloading:
- make a screenshot where you can see one of the bugs
- send screenshot and savegame to Johan (see Support forum)

 

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Rather strange bugs, I loaded up as Mathilda and everything just works as it is supposed to work.

She starts with her mother as chancellor, who has a diplomacy of 2. Which, together with Mathilda gave her vassals a loyalty modifier of +1.0 because of the diplomacy.

When I changed the chancellor to someone else, with a higher diplomacy the modifier increased to +2.5

Can you post a screenshot of your game ?

Wow. I just reloaded from the autosave, and now all the advisors are providing their bonuses. This is the first time I've played from a save file during this Toscana game, so I'm guessing the bug gets fixed the same way you fix some of the glitches when you create your first kingship as a duke.

However, even though Mathilda now has a male son and is listed as an heir in her profile, still flags that she's heirless. As said, I suspect the game will say I lose when she dies no matter what (it happened to me before in the original Crusader Kings the one time I tried a female ruler). (Problem seen in screenshot 1 below.)

Anyway, I tried to reproduce the original glitch by starting a new game as Toscana. She starts being able to gain her advisors' bonuses. However, if she assigns advisors THEN successfully proposes a marriage with someone, she loses all the bonuses . Note that when I accepted a proposed marriage from the AI instead of doing the proposing myself, the problem didn't occur. (Problem seen in screenshot 2 below.)

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

I now see what the problem is.

In CK, normally a wife will move to the court of her husband, this is of course problematic when the wife is a ruler. Since a ruler can't be in another court, so only when a ruler is female will the man move to the court of his wife.

Normally this works fine, but not when the man holds a court-position in another court (as in your example, where her husband is the chancellor in the county of Forez). Mathilda therefor move to the county of Forez (see the CoA).

Since people who hold a courtposition in another court will not leave that court. Only when they are females, then they will move to the court of their husband. Unless the husband later moves to another court, they she will stay in the court where she has the position.

It is even more problematic when you play a female ruler and your husband then inherits a title of their own. Then the game will crash or you (as in your example) you are not able to reload a save-game as them.

I never played female rulers for a very long time, but my guess is, that this 'bug' has always been in the game and so it is very unlikely to be fixed.

You can prevent this bug from happening of course, by:
- not marrying at all when you are a female ruler
- only marry a man in your own court
- only marry a man who doesn't hold a court-position in another court or is bound to inherit a title himself

The reason why you still see the sign of not having an heir is that her son isn't of her dynastie. He belongs to the dynastie of the father, he will carry his fathers last name.

Another reason why it is unwise to marry when you are a female ruler, since your children will never be of your dynastie (unless you marry a member of your dynastie of course).

 

[SaberHRE]

exactly so. But you can cheat a little. Namely. Choose your husband as Matilda, do not marry him yet. Go to your saved game file. Move the potential husband to your court. Marry him then.

Second thing you do is when your first son is born. Change his surname in the saved game to Di Canossa. This step isn't really cheating, because as of history there are many cases of male nobles taking up the mother's maidens name. Examples: Churchill, Welfs, etc.