Zone of control, forts and capturing territory

[Taelyn]

I've created a nice empire in 1.12, but rebels remain a problem. Not that they can't be handled, but that if I don't station troops in provinces likely to rebel for years at a time, rebels will spawn, instantly capture the province and create additional separatism in a cycle that never ends. Sometimes, even having troops nearby is not enough, two stacks of rebels spawn and I can't defeat both in the month I have before the province falls.

My suggestion, make it so that rebels cannot siege land within a fort's ZoC. They should immediately move to siege the fort first. You could make it so that all armies work this way - it would lesson the whack-a-mole feeling to conquest and rebels.

 

[MagnusDux]

i actualy like how provinces that have no forts ane now more vlunerable, it forces you to either build forts or have armies nearby. I can no longer have my armies at minimum maintenance always when at peace, if i just conquered provinces or there's a period of instablity i have to send my armies to reduce unrest and quikly destroy rebels not just wait until there's a rebelion and then go crush it

 

[Karnak]

You are meant to manage the revolt risk, not just nuke down the autonomy and go 'derp the game hates me' when you get rebels beyond your ability to handle.

 

[kitemasaki]

I've created a nice empire in 1.12, but rebels remain a problem. Not that they can't be handled, but that if I don't station troops in provinces likely to rebel for years at a time, rebels will spawn, instantly capture the province and create additional separatism in a cycle that never ends. Sometimes, even having troops nearby is not enough, two stacks of rebels spawn and I can't defeat both in the month I have before the province falls.

My suggestion, make it so that rebels cannot siege land within a fort's ZoC. They should immediately move to siege the fort first. You could make it so that all armies work this way - it would lesson the whack-a-mole feeling to conquest and rebels.

You don't understand how rebels work with the new system. Rebels can siege land quickly in non-fortified provinces, but if that land is within a staffed fort's ZOC, then no modifiers are added when they seize the province. They must sieze a fort to be able to enforce changes/modifiers/etc. Rebels will either seize the province they are in (which is worth nothing if in a ZOC) or stop and gun for the nearby fort.

That is why it is pretty good to have at least lvl 1 fort ZOC spaced evenly around a wide empire that covers every province. An example is my Ming game, where I have around 100 provinces at start, so I have 14 forts spaced around strategically which covers all of those 100 provinces with ZOC.

System works fine as-is.

 

[Sir-Rogers]

You don't understand how rebels work with the new system. Rebels can siege land quickly in non-fortified provinces, but if that land is within a staffed fort's ZOC, then no modifiers are added when they seize the province. They must sieze a fort to be able to enforce changes/modifiers/etc. Rebels will either seize the province they are in (which is worth nothing if in a ZOC) or stop and gun for the nearby fort.

That is why it is pretty good to have at least lvl 1 fort ZOC spaced evenly around a wide empire that covers every province. An example is my Ming game, where I have around 100 provinces at start, so I have 14 forts spaced around strategically which covers all of those 100 provinces with ZOC.

System works fine as-is.

Try playing nations for a change that don't have extremely wealthy provinces and trade. You might understand why people complain about forts when they can't even afford to build a single one, compared to you placing building 14 forts strategically around the map.

The system works fine for wealthy nations and it's not working well for nations with poor provinces and trade.

 

[kitemasaki]

Try playing nations for a change that don't have extremely wealthy provinces and trade. You might understand why people complain about forts when they can't even afford to build a single one, compared to you placing building 14 forts strategically around the map.

The system works fine for wealthy nations and it's not working well for nations with poor provinces and trade.

Lol. Fail.
I used an example and you cry again. You need help in managing your economy. You obviously dont know how to play the game.

 

[Karnak]

I can build forts in my Ryukyu game, so yeah. /thread