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CK2 Dev Diary #103 - Long live the King!

Greetings.

Today we will put Pagans aside, go back to good old Catholics, and explore one of the new features coming for them with Holy Fury: Coronation Ceremonies.

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With this expansion, succeeding to the throne of a Catholic Kingdom or Empire will not be a simple matter of gaining the title itself. The new ruler will need to organize a Coronation Ceremony (via new intrigue decision) and be recognized as legitimate by a notable member of the Catholic Church.
If a Catholic ruler fails to be officially crowned, he will see his popularity slowly fade away each year, as his vassals grow more and more restless under what they perceive as an illegitimate King.

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Coronation is divided into two phases: preparation and ceremony.
During the preparation, the ruler will decide whom he wishes to be crowned by, he will meet the Church’s demands, and invest money to organize the ceremony. In the second phase, the ruler will host the ceremony itself, interacting with guests and ultimately receiving his crown.

When organizing a ceremony, a Catholic King can choose between three possible options when it comes to officiant priests: he can be crowned by a low-status theocratic vassal within his realm, by a powerful theocratic vassal within his realm (such as a Cardinal, Antipope or Prince-Bishop), or by the Pope himself. Catholic Emperors who fail to enact the Free Investiture succession on the other hand will be limited in their selection only to the Pope.
While being crowned by a local Bishop is a lot less prestigious, it is also much cheaper, as higher-ranking members of the Church will be prone to make outlandish requests, especially if they dislike the ruler requesting them to officiate his coronation.

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Requests may vary a lot, especially when it comes to the Pope: the Holy Father might ask you to change your realm’s Investiture laws, wage war against an Excommunicated ruler on behalf of the Papacy, or to restore some of the Central Italian provinces to the Holy See.
Be sure to be in good relations with the Pope before asking for a coronation if you wish to receive a more tolerable offer.

Once the demands of your chosen priest have been met, you will be able to select a budget for your ceremony which will determine the kind of coronation you will receive, the kind of flavor events tied to it and the number of guests participating in it.
An extravagant coronation is a prestigious event to which all your vassals, courtiers and even neighboring Christian rulers are invited, a secluded coronation is a private feast to which only your Council will have access to.

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Once the ceremony has been concluded, your character will receive a specific trait tied to the priest that crowned him, as well as retain any additional perks granted by the flavor events experienced during the feast leading up to the coronation.

You might have noticed from the screenshots that this new mechanic affects character portraits as well: Catholic Kings and Emperors that have not been crowned will no longer wear the high-tier headgear in Holy Fury, defaulting to the Ducal band instead until their rank has been officially recognized by the Church (naturally, if you do not own Holy Fury, Catholic Kings and Emperors will wear the appropriate gear by default as before).

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This is not the only portrait-related addition though: Holy Fury will bring to the game a series of special crown artifacts that will be visible on portraits whenever the characters are wearing them. Most of these artifacts can only be used when the character meets certain requirements and they are often tied to a specific title rather than a character’s dynasty.

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And this should be about it for this week.
 
That has to be new, I don't remember it from when I played (around Horse Lords). There is one quote (I don't know if from the books or the show, Martin tends to be rigurous with this stuff, the showrunners not so much) from Renly when he tolds Cat that Robb can style himself however he wants as long as he swears fealty to him. But a king sworn to another is an open challenge, there can't be two. One would diminish the autority of the other and make him appear weak.

Still AGOT devs sometimes put things in the game they deem as cool, but have little to no basis. Don't get me wrong, the mod is great. It was this mod what made me buy CK2 in the first place, so there's that. But sometimes there's stuff like that. To put one example if all Starks die there's an event that can make the Kastarks the new Starks, with the name and sigil. That's unprecedented. When the Capets died out and the Bourbons took power they didn't declare themselves Capets, if you form a new House you don't "go back".

And in general people used the same argument people are using here for vassal king coronations: "It's better to have something that to not have it". But I'd rather have something that makes sense historically and it's justified. One could make the same argument for dukes, counts and barons, right? It would be better for them to have it too than not having it. I'd keep it only for independent kings and emeperors.
In fact the Bourbons didn't declare themselves Capet because they ARE Capet . It's first the Valois dynasty that succeeded to the direct Capetians dynasty . The house De Valois is replaced by the house De Bourbons after the end of the dynasty during religious wars that were at the end a civil war for the throne between the protestant faction led by the Bourbons' pretender Henri de Navarre and the catholic faction led by the House De Guise. But all; direct capetians, Valois and Bourbons are capet by male succession . Louis XVI at his trial was called Louis Capet because it was his family name. As the house of York and Lancaster are in fact branches of the House Plantagenet . I don't remember well but i think that in ASOIF , the karstark are descending from the Stark no ?
 
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In fact the Bourbons didn't declare themselves Capet because they ARE Capet . It's first the Valois dynasty that succeeded to the direct Capetians dynasty . But all; direct capetians, Valois and Bourbons are capet by male succession . Louis XVI at his trial was called Louis Capet because it was his family name. As the house of York and Lancaster are in fact branches of the House Plantagenet . I don't remember well but i think that in ASOIF , the karstark are descending from the Stark no ?
Yes, they are. I don't know if the first Karstark was a bastard Stark or a legitimate one, though. But it's the same case. Still, the Bourbons continued being called Bourbons and not Capets, and when a branch starts differentiating itself with a new name and a new sigil it doesn't go back to its parent name when in power. Someone in their forums tried to present asimilar case with the Habsburg-Lorraine becoming only Habsburg, but that's not the same case, they were still Habsburgs, a cadet branch of the same dynasty, not a different cadet dynasty.
 
Yes, they are. I don't know if the first Karstark was a bastard Stark or a legitimate one, though. But it's the same case. Still, the Bourbons continued being called Bourbons and not Capets, and when a branch starts differentiating itself with a new name and a new sigil it doesn't go back to its parent name when in power. Someone in their forums tried to present asimilar case with the Habsburg-Lorraine becoming only Habsburg, but that's not the same case, they were still Habsburgs, a cadet branch of the same dynasty, not a different cadet dynasty.
In fact the Bourbons called themselves "capetiens de Bourbons " as the Valois called themselves "capetiens de Valois " . The name Bourbons is the name of a fiefdom that a capetian King (I believe it is St Louis ) gave to his second son . But the Bourbons took back the capetian coat of arm , crypt and place of corronation, called themselves (and are ) capetians etc.... It is the same case that for the Habsburg . In fact i think the distinction is because at some point , all of major french houses were linked to the capetians so they needed the addition of a "particule " De somewhere ... This is the same thing with houses of Lancaster and York or even if China with Han house of Nanyang that became the Later Han dynasty.
 
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I am never playing a catholic again. Even if this is one of the few instances where scaled wealth could make sense.

Why do you punish me for having income? WHY!?

Rich man, heaven, camel, eye of a needle etc.
 
In fact the Bourbons called themselves "capetiens de Bourbons " as the Valois called themselves "capetiens de Valois " . The name Bourbons is the name of a fiefdom that a capetian King (I believe it is St Louis ) gave to his second son . But the Bourbons took back the capetian coat of arm , crypt and place of corronation, called themselves (and are ) capetians etc.... It is the same case that for the Habsburg . In fact i think the distinction is because at some point , all of major french houses were linked to the capetians so they needed the addition of a "particule " De somewhere ... This is the same thing with houses of Lancaster and York or even if China with Han house of Nanyang that became the Later Han dynasty.
What you say is true, but I don't see how it refutes my point. When a new branch stablish itself as a new House with new name and sigil it never goes back to its parent dynasty. It can claim its legacy. Technically the difference between cadet branch and cadet dynasty is not as clear as it should be. The Bourbons can technically be called Capet-Bourbon, but it was never officially branded as only Capet when they took power.
Just ask a low bishop to crown you then
Scaled money cost is a poorly implemented mechanic. It has happened to me to try and save money for something for years, and when I saved enough money for it the cost had doubled because I also had improved. When making a sword costs more than building a castle there is something terribliy wrong there.
 
Hey, Silfae, I have one big QoL improvement I have on my wishlist that I would really love to see implemented in the next patch...

Can we please have tabs on the outliner so we can organize by alphabetical order, largest revenue, levies, fort level, and etc? The outliner is still pretty basic and I would really like to see just a few small changes to it so I can optimize my demense.

Thanks for reading!
 
What you say is true, but I don't see how it refutes my point. When a new branch stablish itself as a new House with new name and sigil it never goes back to its parent dynasty. It can claim its legacy. Technically the difference between cadet branch and cadet dynasty is not as clear as it should be. The Bourbons can technically be called Capet-Bourbon, but it was never officially branded as only Capet when they took power.

Scaled money cost is a poorly implemented mechanic. It has happened to me to try and save money for something for years, and when I saved enough money for it the cost had doubled because I also had improved. When making a sword costs more than building a castle there is something terribliy wrong there.
I swear that a previous dev diary mentioned that they have put caps on both the upper and lower limits for scaled money.
 
A query- might coronation events get expanded to non-Catholics in the future?

Also, since I don't see it so far- does this literally only apply to Catholics alone, or is it applicable to the Catholic Religious branch?
 
A query- might coronation events get expanded to non-Catholics in the future?

Also, since I don't see it so far- does this literally only apply to Catholics alone, or is it applicable to the Catholic Religious branch?
It applies to catholic branch religions that have religious heads, so Catholic and Fraticelli.
 
I swear that a previous dev diary mentioned that they have put caps on both the upper and lower limits for scaled money.
Well, for the smithy events there already are. I just checked the code caps are

Best: -2000
Nice: -500
El Cheapo: -100

Not sure if any other events with scaled wealth already have min and max caps.
 
Well, for the smithy events there already are. I just checked the code caps are

Best: -2000
Nice: -500
El Cheapo: -100

Not sure if any other events with scaled wealth already have min and max caps.
Now they just need to change the smith events so having higher stewardship makes it more likely to fire the "get higher quality stuff" events. It is currently triggered on having lower stewardship.
 
"succeeding to the throne of a Catholic Kingdom or Empire will not be a simple matter of gaining the title itself. The new ruler will need to organize a Coronation Ceremony (via new intrigue decision) and be recognized as legitimate by a notable member of the Catholic Church."

I've been waiting for this since CKII came out. Great
 
Requests may vary a lot, especially when it comes to the Pope: the Holy Father might ask you to change your realm’s Investiture laws, wage war against an Excommunicated ruler on behalf of the Papacy, or to restore some of the Central Italian provinces to the Holy See.
Be sure to be in good relations with the Pope before asking for a coronation if you wish to receive a more tolerable offer.

Really nice, finally the Pope will make heavy political interferences between the States, as it was in the Middle Ages.
 
Hi, Silfae. It's very cool that the crown could influence the portrait. I have one question about priority.
"Crowned by X" trait shows your cultural crown in your portrait. "Augustus" trait offers you a laurel for your portrait. When you equip the special crown artifact, the crown will appear in you portrait. But while I have two of previous-mentioned, which one will appear in my portrait? If I equip the special crown with "Augustus" trait, does a laurel still sit on my head?
 
Hi, Silfae. It's very cool that the crown could influence the portrait. I have one question about priority.
"Crowned by X" trait shows your cultural crown in your portrait. "Augustus" trait offers you a laurel for your portrait. When you equip the special crown artifact, the crown will appear in you portrait. But while I have two of previous-mentioned, which one will appear in my portrait? If I equip the special crown with "Augustus" trait, does a laurel still sit on my head?
All special crowns are on a single separate layer; if you wear a special crown, it will always override the cultural crown. In the special case of Augustus the character should have an equal chance of wearing either the laurels or the other special crown that he has equipped.
 
All special crowns are on a single separate layer; if you wear a special crown, it will always override the cultural crown. In the special case of Augustus the character should have an equal chance of wearing either the laurels or the other special crown that he has equipped.

What would a Roman cultured emperor of an empire besides the Roman Empire wear if he had no crown artifacts?