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CK2 Dev Diary #103 - Long live the King!

Greetings.

Today we will put Pagans aside, go back to good old Catholics, and explore one of the new features coming for them with Holy Fury: Coronation Ceremonies.

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With this expansion, succeeding to the throne of a Catholic Kingdom or Empire will not be a simple matter of gaining the title itself. The new ruler will need to organize a Coronation Ceremony (via new intrigue decision) and be recognized as legitimate by a notable member of the Catholic Church.
If a Catholic ruler fails to be officially crowned, he will see his popularity slowly fade away each year, as his vassals grow more and more restless under what they perceive as an illegitimate King.

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Coronation is divided into two phases: preparation and ceremony.
During the preparation, the ruler will decide whom he wishes to be crowned by, he will meet the Church’s demands, and invest money to organize the ceremony. In the second phase, the ruler will host the ceremony itself, interacting with guests and ultimately receiving his crown.

When organizing a ceremony, a Catholic King can choose between three possible options when it comes to officiant priests: he can be crowned by a low-status theocratic vassal within his realm, by a powerful theocratic vassal within his realm (such as a Cardinal, Antipope or Prince-Bishop), or by the Pope himself. Catholic Emperors who fail to enact the Free Investiture succession on the other hand will be limited in their selection only to the Pope.
While being crowned by a local Bishop is a lot less prestigious, it is also much cheaper, as higher-ranking members of the Church will be prone to make outlandish requests, especially if they dislike the ruler requesting them to officiate his coronation.

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Requests may vary a lot, especially when it comes to the Pope: the Holy Father might ask you to change your realm’s Investiture laws, wage war against an Excommunicated ruler on behalf of the Papacy, or to restore some of the Central Italian provinces to the Holy See.
Be sure to be in good relations with the Pope before asking for a coronation if you wish to receive a more tolerable offer.

Once the demands of your chosen priest have been met, you will be able to select a budget for your ceremony which will determine the kind of coronation you will receive, the kind of flavor events tied to it and the number of guests participating in it.
An extravagant coronation is a prestigious event to which all your vassals, courtiers and even neighboring Christian rulers are invited, a secluded coronation is a private feast to which only your Council will have access to.

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Once the ceremony has been concluded, your character will receive a specific trait tied to the priest that crowned him, as well as retain any additional perks granted by the flavor events experienced during the feast leading up to the coronation.

You might have noticed from the screenshots that this new mechanic affects character portraits as well: Catholic Kings and Emperors that have not been crowned will no longer wear the high-tier headgear in Holy Fury, defaulting to the Ducal band instead until their rank has been officially recognized by the Church (naturally, if you do not own Holy Fury, Catholic Kings and Emperors will wear the appropriate gear by default as before).

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This is not the only portrait-related addition though: Holy Fury will bring to the game a series of special crown artifacts that will be visible on portraits whenever the characters are wearing them. Most of these artifacts can only be used when the character meets certain requirements and they are often tied to a specific title rather than a character’s dynasty.

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And this should be about it for this week.
 
@Silfae Will it be possible to raid the papacy and steal the Papal Tiara and wear it as a Pagan emperor as a symbol of your success against the heathen Christians?
 
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Diarcies
Maybe replace the grant landed title for someone or the same rank with a grant independence with title and a grant diarchy option. Would be cool to temporary divide an empire in half. Essentially like a eastern and western Roman empire. With a casius beli to remove the other, I mean the closest thing now is granting your heir an independent empire. Imagine co op. Or being the spartans. Or the Roman republic (which could be emulated via duke and king level characters trading 2 king or emperor level titles (depending on size) for a certain time. With perhaps a cement rule casius beli to make it like a standard empire.
 
It's gonna be a while. Go ahead and play to your heart's content.

We've been anxious about "Holy Fury, can't start a new game" since before the summer, and we've haven't even got a release yet. So, play what you want, enjoy yourself. And when Holy Fury does come out, it'll monopolize our attention anyway :D
Haha you say that but:
1) Last time I thought that about a TBA CK2 dlc (I forgot which one it was though) I got 300 years into a playthrough and they dropped the dlc within like a week of giving it a date
2) I play very heavily in areas and with religions that are going to abuse a lot of the new features and knowing my typical playthrough experience is getting so many new features is killing the joy a bit for me tbh
3) I've got Pathfinder Kingmaker for now so I can be a little patient I guess :p

Edit: Bam there ya go exactly a month right after I post this is the release haha
 
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I think there should be a special case for the HRE. Until the elected ruler isn’t crowned by the emperor he should be addressed with the title King. Only after the coronation he should be called Emperor.

Also would be nice if this had an influence on the numeration.
 
So there are certain unique special crowns that affect portraits for certain realms and cultures. Are they limited to historical crowns of certain realms and cultures only, or can ahistorical cultural empires (or custom empires for that matter) get ones too?
 
Some are historical some are ahistorical.
 
I think there should be a special case for the HRE. Until the elected ruler isn’t crowned by the emperor he should be addressed with the title King. Only after the coronation he should be called Emperor.

Also would be nice if this had an influence on the numeration.

The coronation didn't had influence on the numeration as far as I know.
 
If you are referring to the crown artifacts, they are inherited. A ruler being crowned does not gain a crown artifact, they are special items.



No, only regular rulers.
Yes, exclusive to Catholics.
No, all the flavor events are tied specifically to Catholics, adapting it to Pagans would have required a lot more work (especially considering how customizable Pagan religions are).


Yes.

Can we use the Crowning Mechanic to give someone teh powah of teh black panter?

 
Yes.


No, if you have an Antipope, he is the highest kind of priest you can ask a coronation from. What I meant is that an Antipope counts as being crowned by a "powerful theocrat" as far as the boni go, rather than by an official Pope.


Yes, the event will try to scope for one which has a high opinion of you.

Now just imagine you get crowned by your Antipope, make him the new official Pope and then got excommunicated by him. That's the new triple crown.
 
Though it may sound like a silly question. As there are king-rank characters dressing as dukes, will the petty kings in Britain and Ireland dress as real kings, or even have a coronation?
 
King/Emperor-tier Catholic rulers that are uncrowned will not wear a crown until after going through the Coronation; Petty Kings do not get access to coronations and keep wearing the usual Duke-tier garnment, as they already do in game.
 
King/Emperor-tier Catholic rulers that are uncrowned will not wear a crown until after going through the Coronation; Petty Kings do not get access to coronations and keep wearing the usual Duke-tier garnment, as they already do in game.

I mean, pretty sure the King may very well wear the crown of his predecessor even if not officially crowned by the clergy. He might piss them off but in the end he can choose to defy them and wear the crown (at the cost of a general opinion malus, of course).
 
I mean, pretty sure the King may very well wear the crown of his predecessor even if not officially crowned by the clergy. He might piss them off but in the end he can choose to defy them and wear the crown (at the cost of a general opinion malus, of course).
I mean, that may be a thing that actually happened in real life, but Silfae is an official dev with special expertise on portraits, and if he says a new expansion that he's worked on and none of the rest of us have played yet works a particular way, I believe him.

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Apologies if I've repeated anything already said, especially when so late into this discussion.

Will real life crown jewels make their appearance in the game?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_jewels

Will there be opportunities to pawn off your regalia for a prestige and legitimacy hit like Anna of Savoy did with the Byzantine Crown? She pawned the crown for 60,000 hyperpyra or 30,000 Venetian ducats which was twice the annual tax revenue of Constantinople at the time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistori...re_are_the_byzantine_crown_jewels_kept_today/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_of_Savoy

Apparently Andronikos defaulted on the loan and offered some islands including Tenedos as further collateral which meant that Venice kept the crown in its treasury:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronikos_IV_Palaiologos

I currently own all the DLC, I don't think you can pawn off titles like this unless I'm unaware.

Also to note, Baldwin II pawned the Crown of Thorns for "13,134 gold pieces" (probably ducats) to a Venetian merchant, managed to pay back the loan after some success, only to then be later forced to sell the relic to King Louis IX. He even gave his only son and heir Philip as hostage to the Venetians as collateral for further loans which Alfonso X of Castile had to redeem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_II,_Latin_Emperor

Could that be a potentially interesting mechanic, ie handing over an heir as collateral in lieu of capital or as terms of a peace agreement?