CK2 Dev Diary#26: Considerable Converter Capabilities

[BrokenSky]

That's what I get for having been a CK2 exclusive for so long: i keep thinking in those terms. Thankfully the code doesn't look at the values I think province have, but what they actually have, so it should be all right.
Just a note: Beijing should not be in the running, since we're only redistributing the provinces that have a CK2 equivalent.

Does it just look at total development and map province values directly over? If I have a large military province (mostly castles, lots of troops etc.) is it more likely to give a lot of base manpower or is it just going to say high development - you get X province's stats (when X province has high tax and production but poor manpower)?

 

[Tunch Khan]

Sorry if it was brought up before; is there a way to show information on reason of imprisonment? After many years I often find my dungeon full of strangers, some of them were obviously children when incarcerated following a siege; some were plotting a murder; some were just at the wrong place at the wrong time, like being caught having sex with a courtier and some are just there for pleasure. It's so difficult to keep track with current UI.

 

[Atlantians]

That's what I get for having been a CK2 exclusive for so long: i keep thinking in those terms. Thankfully the code doesn't look at the values I think province have, but what they actually have, so it should be all right.
Just a note: Beijing should not be in the running, since we're only redistributing the provinces that have a CK2 equivalent.

So, theoretically, if you have an Ireland with all maxed out provinces in CKII, you could have an Ireland in EU4 with all their provinces around 30-32 Development?

Also, how does the tech level in CKII convert over to EU4?

Will the converter convert Castles, Churches, and Cities into different types of development?

We want converted games to be more open and 'fair', so there's no way to force it. You can easily mod it though.
They will pick early Exploration ideas, so unless they're crushed by war they should explore & colonize early on.

Wouldn't it make the most sense to only allow developed coastal powers closer to the Americas get this ability?

So, essentially Japan, Korea, Ming? Rather than folks in India far away?

Or would an Indian 'Portugal' colonize Australia instead?

 

[Rip Off Productions]

Wouldn't it make the most sense to only allow developed coastal powers closer to the Americas get this ability?

So, essentially Japan, Korea, Ming? Rather than folks in India far away?

Or would an Indian 'Portugal' colonize Australia instead?

well Portagal also did a lot of colonizing/conquering in Africa, though those trade nodes wouldn't be of much use to an Indian nation without changing how trade worked. I really wish it was possible to make trade flow "backwards" if you(or you and enough other "upstream" nations) had enough control in the "downstream" node(s).

 

[Atlantians]

well Portagal also did a lot of colonizing/conquering in Africa, though those trade nodes wouldn't be of much use to an Indian nation without changing how trade worked. I really wish it was possible to make trade flow "backwards" if you(or you and enough other "upstream" nations) had enough control in the "downstream" node(s).

Well, the trade routes depict the actual historical flow of goods.

What they need to model is a supply/demand system that benefits starting nodes with Development discounts, tax boosts, and the like.

 

[Atlantians]

This is exactly it. We sort all EU4 provinces by their development, then sort all CK2 provinces by their pseudo-development (the mentioned value), and we give each CK2 province the develoment of the province of the same rank in EU4.
So if say Kernev was a megalopolis with all 7 settlements filled to brink, plus an hospital also filled to the brink, a trade post and prosperity 3, Kernev in EU4 would receive the development of Constantinople (or Paris).
This way the map stays balanced, but the most developed area of CK2 are also the most developed areas of the converted game.


A lot of the converter can be modded, it is one of the way we encourage people to improve the conversion to fit more with their vision of what it should be.
To answer the specific question, the personality trait conversion can be modded to add more or remove those you don't like.


We have found the issue, and a branch should be available.

@Moah, this might be last minute to implement immediately, but can you please add an element of change to East Asia depending on the state of Western Society?

Ming formed as a result of the fall of the Yuan dynasty, which was itself a Mongol Dynasty that only existed after the fall of the Tang, the rise of the Song, the decline of the Song and the rise of the Jin, and the fall of the Song and the Jin to the Mongol Yuan Dynasty.

All this happened during the CKII era.

If the Mongols don't spawn, or are driven back from the west in defeat, the Yuan would never overrun the Song.

Can we please have a more varied China, Korea, and Jurchen in conversion?

Butterfly theory, @Moah, butterfly theory. @rageair, what do you think?

@Trin Tragula, @Darkrenown, @Doomdark???

 

[Wagonlitz]

@Moah, this might be last minute to implement immediately, but can you please add an element of change to East Asia depending on the state of Western Society?

Ming formed as a result of the fall of the Yuan dynasty, which was itself a Mongol Dynasty that only existed after the fall of the Tang, the rise of the Song, the decline of the Song and the rise of the Jin, and the fall of the Song and the Jin to the Mongol Yuan Dynasty.

All this happened during the CKII era.

If the Mongols don't spawn, or are driven back from the west in defeat, the Yuan would never overrun the Song.

Can we please have a more varied China, Korea, and Jurchen in conversion?

Butterfly theory, @Moah, butterfly theory. @rageair, what do you think?

@Trin Tragula, @Darkrenown, @Doomdark???

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[Rip Off Productions]

another question about the converter: will large Muslim nations no longer be broken up into clusters of PUs and just have vassals? after all Personal Unions aren't available to non-Christians in the game.

and on the subject of Persnal Unions, will there be a possibility that large nations where the ruler has multiple titles of the same rank have his realm broken into PUs(especially if crown authority is low/council power is high)? or will that have to be something reserved for manual editing?

 

[Darkrenown]

@Moah, this might be last minute to implement immediately, but can you please add an element of change to East Asia depending on the state of Western Society?

Ming formed as a result of the fall of the Yuan dynasty, which was itself a Mongol Dynasty that only existed after the fall of the Tang, the rise of the Song, the decline of the Song and the rise of the Jin, and the fall of the Song and the Jin to the Mongol Yuan Dynasty.

All this happened during the CKII era.

If the Mongols don't spawn, or are driven back from the west in defeat, the Yuan would never overrun the Song.

Can we please have a more varied China, Korea, and Jurchen in conversion?

Butterfly theory, @Moah, butterfly theory. @rageair, what do you think?

@Trin Tragula, @Darkrenown, @Doomdark???

It's a cool idea, but it's outside the scope of this converter update. It's really outside of the scope of the converter itself since it doesn't really touch Asia.

If it isn't a bother can you say what was the issue? Curious about what was making such a huge difference.

Turned out to be a code thing, some MP things were being checked in SP and wasting a lot of time.

How bout a nice 0/0/0 instead?

I don't remember if it's 1.18 or RoM adding it, but you could always abdicate

 

[BrokenSky]

It's a cool idea, but it's outside the scope of this converter update. It's really outside of the scope of the converter itself since it doesn't really touch Asia.

To be fair, so is america and that doesn't stop sunset invasion from making the new world into a completely different environment.

 

[Idontlovevanilla]

@Darkrenown
Would the truncated county names be fixed (there is a certain limitation of symbols in county names)?

 

[Kapitalisti]

I don't remember if it's 1.18 or RoM adding it, but you could always abdicate

And that immortal simpleton would be a great tourist attraction!

 

[Tanttu]

What CKII version will the converter be compatible with? Do I have to restart my current game in the current version if I want it converted?

 

[Wagonlitz]

What CKII version will the converter be compatible with? Do I have to restart my current game in the current version if I want it converted?

Almost certainly 2.6.2. Anyway you most likely will be able to load up your save in 2.6.2 and then convert instantly unless you are using a version before the last map change. (Not sure when that was; has there been changes since Horse Lords?)

 

[GoukaRyuu]

Almost certainly 2.6.2. Anyway you most likely will be able to load up your save in 2.6.2 and then convert instantly unless you are using a version before the last map change. (Not sure when that was; has there been changes since Horse Lords?)

My problem in that I didn't patch up with conclave so, it hopefully not breaking the save, would need to go to the command console command that allows the auto change of all laws. Then, I would need to go through every realm. Still, it would be worth it.

 

[Wagonlitz]

My problem in that I didn't patch up with conclave so, it hopefully not breaking the save, would need to go to the command console command that allows the auto change of all laws. Then, I would need to go through every realm. Still, it would be worth it.

Why would you need to change laws through console?

And as mentioned you should be able to load a 2.4 game and then convert instantly. If you try to actually unpause you might get in trouble, but just converting without unpausing ought to work. (I know that 2.4. saves at least could be converted with the 2.5 converter, since I did that.)

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

I’m working on modding the Converter for the HIP mod project. I have some questions which don’t seem to be answered anywhere and I’m hoping since this is being updated, I could get an answer to any of them. I recently reported a Converter crash, with fix, for y'all so can I parley that into some aid here?

1. How nation_table.csv works – it doesn't seem to always convert CK2 realms to their mapped EU4 tags. Does order matter – will it prefer to match k_castilla rather than d_castilla just because the former mapping comes first in the file?
   1. What do the entries do at the bottom of the file, with blank CK2-title entries? They say “exists in EU4, not in CK2,” but that’s true of lots of tags not listed.
2. Generally how province_table.csv works – how does it handle many-to-one, one-to-many, and many-to-many relationships between CK2 and EU4?
   1. E.g.… if 3 CK2 counties are mapped to one EU4 province, and A controls two of them while B controls the third, does A always get the province in the conversion? Does that depend on the order the mappings are listed in? If the third mapping were tripled, would that mean B now gets the province?
   2. Whether the third column "Filename" of province_table.csv matters at all—given that about 15% of the entries in that column don't point to actual province history files?
      
   3. What is the sense in having duchy titles in that table (as it has in at least some places)? Why would they matter for province mapping?
   4. There are some lines duplicated, with a comment saying it’s to increase the weight of a certain option. How does this work? To what extent is it deterministic vs random?
3. What’s the point of border_provinces.csv? Especially since the map has expanded to the east since that file was changed?

 

[skhkzz]

Well...How did the problem of independent vassal, and broken Mongol Empire?

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/converter-destroyed-my-aztec-empire.954950/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...converted-mongol-empire.906934/#post-20619847
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/conclave-dlc-destroyed-my-converter.908378/

 

[killerbee256]

But one last thing....

Immortal all the way into Stellaris! It'll be like Stargate!

More like Warhammer 40k.

 

[Xinkc]

Beijing: 33
Paris: 32
Milan: 30
Rome: 28
Constantinople: 23
London: 22

Moah probably meant post-event Constantinople.

I keep forgetting that London was nerfed following the change to development as my only game that involved conquest up there ended early due to my third 13 year regency within a century made me rage quit. Thanks for the data!

That's what I get for having been a CK2 exclusive for so long: i keep thinking in those terms. Thankfully the code doesn't look at the values I think province have, but what they actually have, so it should be all right.
Just a note: Beijing should not be in the running, since we're only redistributing the provinces that have a CK2 equivalent.

Will there be some meshing of development values between the untouched east Asian provinces and the rest of the map? Seems like things could get jarring without it.