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CK2 Dev Diary #51: The Roof of the World

Hi folks!

PDXCON 2017 is over and it was fantastic to meet so many of you! I got a lot of interesting suggestions and feedback on our games, including, of course, CK2. So, a special thank you goes out to those of you who were there!

Now then, let’s talk a bit about those ugly gray areas on the map; the wastelands. Aesthetically, I’ve never liked the gray color of wasteland provinces in the non-Terrain map modes, so I took some time to change it so that wasteland is now always shown as Terrain, regardless of map mode (we might add options for this in the settings. Let me know what you think!)

Northern Siberia and the Sahara deserve to be wasteland; it’s difficult to do anything more about that (we’ve already twisted and manipulated the map projection, etc.) However, the Himalayas and the vast Tibetan plateau are a different story… Though mountainous, the region contains many important population centers and religious sites and has a rich history of interaction with China, India and Central Asia. In essence, the only reason it’s a “wasteland” in CK2 is that we haven’t prioritized doing it justice.

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Tibet, 1066. Note that any green Coat of Arms are placeholders.


I’ve never been happy with the way the eastern edge of the map feels like the edge of the world when, in fact, it should be a dynamic hub connecting at least four major civilizations (China, India, the Steppe Nomads and the Islamic world.) Well, the time to do something about that is now! In our working build, we have added the necessary provinces, new cultures (Bodpa, Tangut and Nepalese), new religions (Bön and Khurmazta), and title history for the entire region.

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The Himalayan mountains, 867.

The Bön religion is a pagan faith which functionally has many similarities with the Romuvan and Buddhist religions: It is very hard to convert, has access to Gavelkind, and unlike other pagan faiths it can not be reformed (though this might change in the future.) Instead, it starts off with the ability to designate heirs, just like Buddhists. It has also got a Patron Deity system like that of the Hindus and the “defensive” Pagans.

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Purang, one of the Bön religion's Holy Sites.


In addition, we are looking over the great Muslim conquerors (Sabuktigin, Seljuq and Timur) to make sure they usually rise, toning down the Indian Holy Orders and making them creatable (rather than existing from the start.) We also plan to add or expand on adventurers for more generic conquests into and out of the subcontinent especially.

There is more, but that would be revealing too much too soon. :) Stay tuned for the next dev diary!

EDIT: Todays livestreams are cancelled due to attrition from PDXCON.
 
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Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but wasn't Tibet under Chinese control for at least some of the CK2 timeline? How will that be represented?
No, it was under Mongol Yuan control.
 
Is it happening?
 
So you mention Khurmazta religion. Is that being saved for a later diary?

A little googling suggests that it's another name for Ahuramazda, the Zoroastrian deity. A Zoroastrian heresy/branch perhaps?
It's a religion that'll be present in the Pamir area of Tibet, represented as a Zoroastrian Heresy. It's got a Patron Diety system, but otherwise it's a fairly minor religion.
 
This sounds pretty sweet. Thans Paradox! :)
 
Ah, that Tocharian playthrough where I fended off the Uyghurs but where I was killed by the Muslims may just get another try later on...
 
Ah, that Tocharian playthrough where I fended off the Uyghurs but where I was killed by the Muslims may just get another try later on...
I recommend it, playing in the Tarim Basin, Khivan and Northern Indian regions feel much better now when you can navigate and/or conquer your way through Pamir/Tibet. :)
 
Tibet will be a great addition.

I'm not fond of the terrain view for wastelands in all map modes. The political map and the terrain map have two very different visual styles and mixing them in my opinion works poorly, but I assume it can be modded back to the previous system, so it isn't really a problem.
 
will the Zhangzhung be in game? iirc they were conquered between the 7 and 9th centuries by the Tibetans and they were considered the founders of the Bon religion.
 
wasn't Tibet under Chinese control for at least some of the CK2 timeline?

As a Chinese, I can tell you:
Tibet was always independent, until conquered by the Mongols.
 
Please make the wasteland being terrain an option that you can disable, I personally find the terrain map mode very jarring compared to political in EU4 and would expect much the same to be true here
 
What will 769 Tibet be? Wasn't that a single state?
Yes.
If I'm not mistaken, Tibet was one of the five most powerful empires in the 8th century.(Abbasid, Tang, Charlemagne, Byzantine and Tibet)
 
Am I mistaken, or is that Burma's name I see in the bottom right corner.
It seems impossible to add Burma until there is another map expansion. After all, only a small part of it are included on the current map.
 
China would indeed be an epic way to end the life cycle of CK2.