CK2 Dev Diary #78 - Polishing up the Map

[yezhanquan]

Any word on when the next diary will be? Need not be next week; just need a rough idea.

 

[Snow Crystal]

Any word on when the next diary will be? Need not be next week; just need a rough idea.

There is no set date for the next one yet, as mentioned in the dev diary we're still pretty early in development and it'll probably be a little while in-between the dev diaries.

 

[olvirki]

My CK2 interest have recently turned east, looks like I am just in time .

How about Sápmi or West Africa?

Mordovia comes to mind as well, recently started a Mordovin game and it dawned on me that this big culture (in early start dates) doesn't have a dejure-kingdom (but just quickly added one into my personal mod).

 

[M@ni@c]

Since we're all talking about the SCANDALOUS I tell you SCANDALOUS misrepresentation of the region we hail from (give or take a 100 km or so), I'd like to mention that Charleroi (b_charleroi) of c_hainaut was founded after CK2's timeframe during the reign of king Charles II. I'd suggest to change the localization of that barony to Le Quesnoy or Halle, basing myself on this map and some wikipedia searches:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Hainaut#/media/File:Carte_des_comtés_de_Flandre_et_de_Hainaut_sous_la_comtesse_Jeanne_de_Constantinople_(1200-1244).png

There already is another barony called Halle elsewhere, so I would not suggest changing the string for the barony itself, only its localization.

 

[jaku00]

I am very annoyed at having to use German names for Pomeranian lands when conquering those regions. Would you please add Polish cultural names for those regions. And I am terribly annoyed at the county of Brandenburg and Duchies of Meissen and Brandenburg.

 

[Prometheus_1]

How about making magroregions?

A Macroregion could be a big territory that counts as one but that holds future development of normal regions once the nomads enstablish there, so they can develop the macroregion and subdivide it into the normal regions once they build the first capital.

The same coudl be if the nomads or others decide to raze down every single settlement in the regions under a macroregion turning it into a wildland.

 

[Vaximillian]

I was rathe rhoping they'd use the opportunity to start over with the map, perhaps use the old one as inspiration but this map was taken from CK1 which took it from EU3 which took it from EU2.

CK1 (released in 2004) couldn’t take anything from EU3 (released in 2007). It did take the map directly from EU2 which took it directly from EU1.

 

[noknok]

Over by Switzerland.. Chur and Grissons seem odd to me.

Grissons should be called Ticino. Especially as you have the main holding Bellinzona.

Chur should be Graubunden or Grissons and it's main holding should be Chur

 

[noknok]

CK2 is the best game you have ever made.

Please make DLCs that are just map and portrait packs that give the game a fresher look.

IMHO you should use CK2 and reskin it to make new games. Stellaris would have been way more fun if it was just a heavily modified CK2 rather than some dull 4x game.

 

[myzael]

Yeah, this one was the most time appropriate I could find : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_Kraków#/media/FileOL_Kraków_COA.svg

The one on the far left is from 16th century. In any case, for a medieval period, you should drop the eagle in the gate, it appeared in late 17th century.

 

[Thure]

Over by Switzerland.. Chur and Grissons seem odd to me.

Grissons should be called Ticino. Especially as you have the main holding Bellinzona.

Chur should be Graubunden or Grissons and it's main holding should be Chur

Graubunden is not a fitting name for this period. Graubunden was firstly used in 1442.

During the middle ages the largest part of this area was ruled by tha Prince Bishop of Chur. So Chur as a province makes sense.

But yes. Grison should be renamed to something else. Even Bellinzona would be more fitting.

 

[LeSingeAffame]

Japan has never been part of Poland.

Not yet

 

[Ollor]

Yeah... All this is of course great and I am sure the poles will be happy to have six provinces, but I'm not happy. I just corrected your file "positions.txt", which you absolutely crooked set of coordinates for river ports in the provinces (there is no shipyard, what's the difference, right?) what I need for my mod to make them coastal. And then such a setup, you'll have to re-edit.
By the way, I don't understand still why you are forbidden to do the ports on the rivers? There can not make a shipyard? Historically in Russia on the rivers of the shipyard set, and not on the sea, which was often very far away. Can you do this?

(Даа... Всё это конечно здорово и уверен поляки будут рады ещё шести провинциям, но вот я не рад. Я только-только поправил ваш файл "positions.txt", к котором вы совершенно криво поставили координаты портов для речных провинций (там же нет верфи, какая разница, да?), что нужно мне для моего мода делающего их прибрежными. И тут такая подстава, придётся всё заново править.
Кстати, я не понимаю до сих пор, почему вы запретили делать порты на реках? Что там нельзя сделать верфи? Исторически в России именно на реках верфи ставили, а вовсе не на море, до которого часто было очень далеко. Может вам этим заняться?)

 

[Mrt19]

Can you please do something for the perfomance to?because in the late game its very laggy^^

 

[Vielus]

so where is Rawa and Łęczyca? or Gniezno !

 

[anbory]

Speaking of polishing, can we expect a rework for Russian de-jure kingdoms? These Rus and Ruthenia are ridiculous and have nothing in common with real political situation in Medieval Rus' states. Russia should be divided on Kiev, Vladimir and Novgorod de-jure kingdoms. Don't know exacty about Perm, cause it doesn't fit neither Russia nor other neighbouring empies. Also Novgorod should be a merchant republic in a XI century and later starts.

 

[Thure]

Also Novgorod should be a merchant republic in a XI century and later starts.

The problem with this is... it wasn't a merchant republic. As still as CK2 represents merchant republics. They still called Russian princes as official rulers. The Prince of Novgorod was still a Rurikid prince and more than often a ruler of another region at the same time. And the other official ruler of the Novgorod Republic was the Bishop of Novgorod which would be a theocracy and not be a republic. The republic of Novgorod was WAY different than any merchant republic ingame and wouldn't really fit this government.

 

[sinanziric]

I hope this will be related to Tribal Governments... now when Nomads are Awesome .. Tribal needs some boost + Slavic world revamp

I believe I am spot on!

 

[anbory]

The problem with this is... it wasn't a merchant republic. As still as CK2 represents merchant republics. They still called Russian princes as official rulers. The Prince of Novgorod was still a Rurikid prince and more than often a ruler of another region at the same time. And the other official ruler of the Novgorod Republic was the Bishop of Novgorod which would be a theocracy and not be a republic. The republic of Novgorod was WAY different than any merchant republic ingame and wouldn't really fit this government.

Novgorod had a council of different people in power. Princes were something like marshals, Bishops were a steward for republic's budget. Also Novgorod was a member of Hanseatic League and it's vital source of income was trading with Europe. Maybe, merchant republic system can't represent all the specific things of Novgorodian politics but it's better than just another feudal or simple unplayable republic.

 

[martas33]

I found two scans of maps from history books which could help you to rework Bohemia and Moravia to more historical look. One is from 13th century. I underlined cities which could be suitable for naming provinces. Second map shows king's cities in the 14th century. I’ll start with Moravia, it's easier to repair.

1) Please, rework the province of Znojmo. It's a Moravian king's city on the Austrian border and it protected the border from enemy's advance many times. It was one of the three seats of what is in czech called "údělné knížectví" (small duchy for minor branch of Premyslid dynasty). Other ones were Brno and Olomouc. I recommend to rename County of Hradec (Kralove) to County of Znojmo or Jihlava (Moravian city on the Bohemian border) and the other city to be made into a barony of that province. You could move old baronies of Trebic, Mikulov to Moravia, or delete them (the third barony is called "Iglau" - that's in German "Jihlava"). Old province of Znojmo in the place between Moravia and Danube could be renamed to something that is in Austria (someone here wanted a rework of german-speaking regions).
In 867 start the old County of Znojmo (part of Duchy of Österreich) is a part of Great Moravia. That’s a good thing - in that time it was really a part of Moravia (nowadays historians think that in that time Moravia was something slightly different than it is now). Bad thing about it is that in game it's still in the Duchy of Österreich (but there could be an inspiration in the Duchy of Powys, which in one start is de iure and after that only titular duchy)...

2) Please rename County of Hradec (Kralove) to County of Znojmo or Jihlava. Hradec Králové is city in eastern Bohemia. Also, baronies of Pardubice, Chrudim and Litomysl are Bohemian towns. Please, move it all to Bohemia, for example by replacing the County of Boleslav. It could be a good idea to move the fourth holding slot to the County of Brno or Olomouc - they were richer.

3) County of Brno is quite fine in the old version. The only strange thing is that there is Velehrad (for Great Moravia) as a barony, but no Barony of Brno...

4) County of Olomouc was also fine. In the new version of the map the County of Hradec (in my point 2 renamed to County of Jihlava or Znojmo) is strangely drawn out so that the old County of Boleslav and Olomouc have no borders. It would be better move it back - north of Moravia (Jeseniky Mountains etc.) wasn't connected as much with the west of Moravia.

5) If you would like to have a more detailed map not only of Poland but also of Bohemia, it could be a good idea to add County of Opava. Later it became a part of Silesia, but in the time of the game it still is in Moravia and the seat of a cadet branch of Premyslid dynasty).

6) Now to the Duchy of Bohemia - County of Boleslav. I recommend to replace it with the old County of Hradec (Kralove) and it's baronies (Pardubice, Chrudim, Litomysl - not Iglau - that's Jihlava). Only Barony of Glatz (in czech Kladsko) could stay there, but it depends on the limit of holdings that you prefer.

7) Prague. It's really great that you moved Elbe (Labe) and Vltava to flow in a more realistic way, but County of Litomerice is way too big now. Maybe bigger Prague or old Boleslav could be a solution. On the other hand, it's fine that in the new map you can’t go directly from Moravia to Prague
It would also be nice if you made Czech version of the Barony of Kuttenberg - "Kutná Hora". Or it would be a good name for a province if you created a more detailed map of Bohemia

8) Holdings in the County of Domazlice lie partly in south-west Bohemia which is in the old map between C. of Domazlice and Pilsen. Beside Domazlice it's also the case of Barony of Hohenfurth (Vyšší Brod in Czech - translation could be fine).

I hope it will help you to improve the map