CK2 Dev Diary DD#37: Three times greater

[secretfire]

90% of what Newton wrote was hermetic mysticism. Unfortunately Cambridge sold it off during the end of the 'age of enlightenment' to private collections so we only have small parts of it, but if you Google 'Newton tree of life Mercury' it's clear they made discoveries which have relevance even today. They were not stupid....And if one King disliked them, there was always someone else eager to patronise them. This was not a small, short lived, ignorant or repressed group.

We STILL don't know how the first Emperor of China made all that liquid Mercury, and that was hermetic teachings literally a thousand years in the past....To say nothing of the Voynich manuscript...

 

[The_Meme_Man]

Unless I am misunderstanding something, do the Dharmic followers get to participate in any similar society? At least the Buddhists?

 

[astartes906]

Still no release date ? And please show us new DLC render's.

 

[ruzen]

Different societies ever clash with each other ?

 

[Alcadizzar19]

Unless I am misunderstanding something, do the Dharmic followers get to participate in any similar society? At least the Buddhists?

As I understand it the Hermetic society is available as a quasi-public society that doesn't delve into truly occult or dark practices while still focusing on special or secret knowledge and is open only to the religions that are definitively monotheistic (the Abrahamics, Zoroastrians and Zunists) to acknowledge how a natural philosopher in a monotheistic culture could jump rope with the line between legitimate research and sorcery. Whereas in the non-monotheistic societies there would be much less of a taboo on such a thing.

I could easily be wrong though, that's just the vibe I get.

 

[VoodooEconomist]

Unless I am misunderstanding something, do the Dharmic followers get to participate in any similar society? At least the Buddhists?

I'm afraid the +4 Learning (+5 for Theravada) is the only thing that will simulate the development of Buddhist science in game for now. We dno't know yet of any Dharmic-specific societies, but here's hoping!

 

[King Anund]

I'm afraid the +4 Learning (+5 for Theravada) is the only thing that will simulate the development of Buddhist science in game for now. We dno't know yet of any Dharmic-specific societies, but here's hoping!

They have each their own Monastic Orders (one for each religion) and the Followers of Kali

 

[Lord Cuddlesworth]

Very much looking forward to this one being released.

 

[TheDungen]

Tech points? You do realise technology and science (Or natural philosophy as it's called in the era) are two different things right? Science (And philosophy) is important and should play a more important part in your games instead of always getting merged in with technology.

 

[Antediluvian Monster]

Funny thing, historically speaking, a re branded Hermeticism was tolerated for the most part, being pushed as a way to 'naturally' discover god' will, or to ritualistically pray to god. Out of the game's timeframe, even Martin Luther of the protestant movement even apparently made the argument that Alchemy perfectly fit with the bible.

I have this impression that the early modern period was somewhat more tolerant of occult as practised by educated christian males. Significantly I'm not even familiar with notable western occultists from medieval period, even if some were held as having been ones by later tradition. Books on medieval magic seem to have been pseudographies or anonymous. But roll into early modern period and we have characters like John Dee and Heinrich Agrippa.

 

[VoodooEconomist]

They have each their own Monastic Orders (one for each religion) and the Followers of Kali

Yes, the Followers are a society, Orders are a different mechanic I think So it won't be totally bare, thank Buddha

 

[Griff Lancer]

I wonder what society the Jews will get, the Zionist?

 

[TheDungen]

Yeah, we're getting one pack for Central Germanic (German, Dutch, Lombard) cultures, and another one for West Germanic (English, Norman) cultures.

How about saxon and frisian? And I mean old_saxon not anglo-saxon.

But Norman is in the Latin culture group. Anglo-saxon perhaps ?

Anglo saxon should probably use the same faces as saxon and frisian whatever that is. English and norman makes sense they'd use the same ones, let's hope they look sufficiently french.

I might be mistaken, but weren't early scientists viewed with distrust in the medieval times?

No such thing as early scientists, the word scientist is like a century old, before that you had natural philosophers, and no philosophers were not viewed with distrust, I eman sure they may have been seen as a bit odd, but unless they openly went agaisnt the church they were tolerated, Many great philosophers were drawn from the church's own ranks. The entire structure of logic that we have had so much use of in science was perfected as a means of discussing meta physics which had it's roots in theology. It's a shame science and philosophy has such a small role in paradox GSGs, the only game that remotely touches on it is Victoria.

90% of what Newton wrote was hermetic mysticism. Unfortunately Cambridge sold it off during the end of the 'age of enlightenment' to private collections so we only have small parts of it, but if you Google 'Newton tree of life Mercury' it's clear they made discoveries which have relevance even today. They were not stupid....And if one King disliked them, there was always someone else eager to patronise them. This was not a small, short lived, ignorant or repressed group.

We STILL don't know how the first Emperor of China made all that liquid Mercury, and that was hermetic teachings literally a thousand years in the past....To say nothing of the Voynich manuscript...

Disagree because of the unfortunately thing. If it gave them money to do something meaningful I fully support them selling of Newtons crackpot writings. Look newton was a loon when it came to these thing, he looked for hidden messeges from god in translated versions of the bible. Yeah he may have done ground breaking work in science (he also may not have, there are people who claims he stole their work for pretty much every major discovery he did, we'll never know for sure) that doesn't mean that alchemy is anything but a pipe dream.

The only way to make lead into gold is through nuclear fusion. These people didn't know anything that we don't know. They may have contributed to us knowing it. But the idea that there's lost knowledge when it comes to these things is just romantic BS.

 

[Knotz]

The only way to make lead into gold is through nuclear fusion.

OMG they were right this whole time, quick someone fetch my alchemy tools/particle accelerator!

 

[TheDungen]

OMG they were right this whole time, quick someone fetch my alchemy tools/particle accelerator!

... First of a particle accelerator has nothing to do with fusion. A particle accelerator accelerates particles, I thought that would be pretty obvious you know from the name. Secondly let's just say it's not an easy transfer to make, it would require a huge amount of energy. Our sun isn't and never will be hot enough to fuse heavy elements like lead and gold, I don't think any star is. You probably have to look at supernovae or hypernovae to find fusion hot enough to create gold. And even then I don't think lead is what they fuse into gold. There's no way that some medieval scholar ever did it, anyone who claims that they did was lying their asses of.

 

[Alcadizzar19]

... First of a particle accelerator has nothing to do with fusion. A particle accelerator accelerates particles, I thought that would be pretty obvious you know from the name. Secondly let's just say it's not an easy transfer to make, it would require a huge amount of energy. There's no way that some medieval scholar ever did it, anyone who claims that they did was lying their asses of.

Huge amounts of energy you say? Well that's what the Faustian bargains are for.

 

[sreckom92]

How about saxon and frisian? And I mean old_saxon not anglo-saxon.

No idea, to be honest.

 

[Jorlem]

Idle councilors. It's placeholder art.

On a related note, does the notification for having an empty councilor slot still open the wrong tab on the councilor window? It should open up the first tab, so we can assign a job easily right after we select the new councilor, but it instead opens up a different tab, adding to the number of clicks needed to assign a new councilor for no reason.

Besides, I would kill for a Vampire : the Masquerade grand strategy game. Truly.

Or an Exalted one. The time periods of the Shogunate and the Scarlet Empire are both literally tailor made for games focusing on dynastic intrigue, and are divided by a hyper-deadly expy of the Black Plague immediately followed by an invasion of Mongols Cthulhu-Fae.

... First of a particle accelerator has nothing to do with fusion. A particle accelerator accelerates particles, I thought that would be pretty obvious you know from the name. Secondly let's just say it's not particularly cost efficient.

You do know that particle accelerators are used in some fusion experiments, right? Look up "Beam-Target Fusion" and "Beam-Beam Fusion". (You can turn platinum into gold by adding a proton to the Pt nucleus, which is fusion.) That said, you could also knock off protons from larger nuclei to make gold, though that is somewhat less easy to control.

 

[Knotz]

... First of a particle accelerator has nothing to do with fusion. A particle accelerator accelerates particles, I thought that would be pretty obvious you know from the name.

You can use a particle accelerator too:

But what of the fabled transmutation of lead to gold? It is indeed possible—all you need is a particle accelerator, a vast supply of energy and an extremely low expectation of how much gold you will end up with. More than 30 years ago nuclear scientists at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL) in California succeeded in producing very small amounts of gold from bismuth, a metallic element adjacent to lead on the periodic table. The same process would work for lead, but isolating the gold at the end of the reaction would prove much more difficult, says David J. Morrissey, now of Michigan State University, one of the scientists who conducted the research. “We could have used lead in the experiments, but we used bismuth because it has only one stable isotope,” Morrissey says. The element’s homogeneous nature means it is easier to separate gold from bismuth than it is to separate gold from lead, which has four stable isotopic identities.

Using the LBNL’s Bevalac particle accelerator, Morrissey and his colleagues boosted beams of carbon and neon nuclei nearly to light speed and then slammed them into foils of bismuth. When a high-speed nucleus in the beam collided with a bismuth atom, it sheared off part of the bismuth nucleus, leaving a slightly diminished atom behind. By sifting through the particulate wreckage, the team found a number of transmuted atoms in which four protons had been removed from a bismuth atom to produce gold. Along with the four protons, the collision-induced reactions had removed anywhere from six to 15 neutrons, producing a range of gold isotopes from gold 190 (79 protons and 111 neutrons) to gold 199 (79 protons, 120 neutrons), the researchers reported in the March 1981 issue of Physical Review C.

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Secondly let's just say it's not an easy transfer to make, it would require a huge amount of energy. Our sun isn't and never will be hot enough to fuse heavy elements like lead and gold, I don't think any star is. You probably have to look at supernovae or hypernovae to find fusion hot enough to create gold. And even then I don't think lead is what they fuse into gold. There's no way that some medieval scholar ever did it, anyone who claims that they did was lying their asses of.

Also, while we're teaching each other things I'd like to introduce you to the concept of humor.

 

[TheDungen]

On a related note, does the notification for having an empty councilor slot still open the wrong tab on the councilor window? It should open up the first tab, so we can assign a job easily right after we select the new councilor, but it instead opens up a different tab, adding to the number of clicks needed to assign a new councilor for no reason.

Or an Exalted one. The time periods of the Shogunate and the Scarlet Empire are both literally tailor made for games focusing on dynastic intrigue, and are divided by a hyper-deadly expy of the Black Plague immediately followed by an invasion of Mongols Cthulhu-Fae.
You do know that particle accelerators are used in some fusion experiments, right? Look up "Beam-Target Fusion" and "Beam-Beam Fusion". (You can turn platinum into gold by adding a proton to the Pt nucleus, which is fusion.) That said, you could also knock off protons from larger nuclei to make gold, though that is somewhat less easy to control.

You can use a particle accelerator too:



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Also, while we're teaching each other things I'd like to introduce you to the concept of humor.

Very well I stand corrected. Not my area of physics. The point is there's no way that the alchemists ever did it.
As for it being a joke, I apologize I've been on the internet to long, I can't tell the real crazies from the jokes any more.