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CK3 Dev Diary #5 - Schemes, Secrets and Hooks

Greetings, dear would-be kings and queens!

I’m Voffvoffhunden (also known as Petter on the discord or even in private life), one of the game’s content designers. Most people probably haven’t seen me around a lot, since I’ve been working on CK3 in secret since the release of HoI4. It’s been a long journey, but it’s been fun to see the game develop and grow over time, and it’s even more fun now that we get to talk about it to all of you! Today, said talking will be about a handful of new features that together cover some of the most important parts of the Crusader Kings experience. So where better to start than with murder?

We’ve all been there. A united Scandinavia is within your grasp, if only it hadn’t been for your meddling siblings! In CK2, these kinds of problems were handled with the gentle application of the “Murder Plot”, as it was popularly called. That system has been expanded and replaced with our brand new Scheme system!

For Crusader Kings 3, we wanted a system that was slightly easier to predict while keeping it unreliable in its outcome, so that murder remains an… option, rather than a safe bet. We also wanted to reduce the number of agents that you need, to make it more valuable to focus on a few candidates close to the victim, rather than having to send messengers with bags of gold to every single courtier and vassal in the land.

All this is achieved through our new Scheme system, where you can use target a character with a Scheme in accordance with your plans, recruit Agents, build up your Scheme Success Chance, and finally achieve your goal. I’ll try to illustrate how it all works by referring to that most iconic of all Schemes: Murder.

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By now, the progress bar might have caught your eye. Each month, a Scheme has a chance of progressing one step, with the odds determined by the Owner’s Scheme Power, and the Target’s Scheme Resistance. These two values are based on the relevant Skill (Intrigue in the case of Murder) but are also affected by Spymasters (in the case of Intrigue-type schemes), various modifiers, and of course - the Owner’s Agents. The closer a Murder Scheme’s Agents are to the Target (and the better their Intrigue), the more Scheme Power they add.

Once the Scheme has progressed 10 steps, it tries to execute. The chance of a successful outcome is determined by the Scheme’s Success Chance (which has a slightly different set of modifiers to Scheme Power), while its Secrecy is used to check whether you are discovered or not when you try to execute.

If you’ve gathered capable agents and you’re lucky enough to not get caught, that inheritance will be as good as yours!

As the Scheme's Owner, you are protected from discovery until you actually attempt to execute your scheme. This protection does not extend to your agents, however! And being discovered as a participant in a murder plot is rarely good for one’s reputation, or for one’s habit of seeing sunlight every day.

It is worth noting that when the existence of a Scheme is discovered in this way, its chance of success drops significantly, as the appointed victim makes every preparation possible to foil your plans.

On the other hand, perhaps you’re just not the murderous type? Thankfully the Scheme system is so flexible that it can be used for all manner of long-term interactions. On the opposite end of the spectrum, Seduction makes a return as a Scheme. Seduce does not use Agents in the way Murder does, and it’s not dangerous in the same way… unless your target happens to be married, that is. Achieving success - determined by things such as your skill at seduction, their sexual preference, and whether you get along whatsoever - can net you a new Lover.
I know where your minds are going at that thought, and yes - it’s a great way of acquiring Agents for your Murder Scheme!

Sway is another returning favourite that’s now a Scheme. Sway also doesn't use Agents but largely relies on your Diplomacy instead. It simply progresses towards its execution and then checks whether you successfully improve their opinion or not. Then it loops around and starts over, building up the target’s opinion of you until you stop it -- or commit some horrible diplomatic faux pas...

To add to the convenience, all characters can run one Hostile Scheme (such as murder) and one Personal Scheme (such as Seduction or Sway) at the same time. Unfortunately, you can only target a given character with a single scheme at a time, so you won’t be able to both murder and seduce the same person, just to see which one pays off sooner. You have to do one after the other.

Now, as I indicated earlier, trying to murder someone is usually illegal. (Fun fact: according to Paradox’s legal department this is also the case in real life.) However, if you’re not discovered when you do it, you’re off the hook, right? Not so! Let me introduce you to something that will change the way you nervously glance over your shoulder forever: Secrets!

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Characters can acquire Secrets when they do something that is frowned upon or outright illegal. You want to keep your own Secrets close to your chest, while it can be of great benefit to uncover the Secrets of others. By sending your Spymaster to… well, spy, it’s possible to find out what is going on with your annoying vassals, your threatening neighbour, or even at your own court!

So what do you do when you discover a Secret? One possible course of action is to expose it for the world to see, of course! This will apply various effects depending on how serious the Secret is. Being the King’s secret lover will cause a scandal, being a Secret Deviant will leave you with the Deviant trait, while being exposed as a secret murderer is exactly the excuse your Liege has been waiting for to throw you in the dungeon. Not to mention those horrible Kinslaying penalties (“Hey, they’re my family, and I choose what to do with them, okay?”).

The other possible course of action ties into our new evolution of CK2’s Favors. This is now a generalised system called “Hooks”, which come in various flavours. Favors is one of these, while another might represent the loyalty that a House member owes to the House Head.

A Hook is used to force characters to do what you want them to, such as accepting marriage offers, changing your Feudal Contract, or forcing them to join your Scheme as an Agent…

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There are Weak and Strong Hooks, where weak Hooks are used up once expended, while Strong Hooks only get a cooldown, ready to be used again later. The source of a Hook determines its strength, and the strongest Hooks come from Blackmailing someone over their most horrible secrets…

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You might want to keep hold of a Hook once you have it, though, rather than spending it. Having a Hook on someone can prevent them from taking hostile actions towards you -- particularly useful when dealing with pesky vassals. Be warned, however. While having a strong Blackmail Hook on someone really gives you the upper hand, it will be lost if the Secret you are blackmailing over is exposed.

There are many types of Schemes, Secrets and Hooks in the game, and while it would be entirely possible to list them all, I think it would be way more fun for you to gradually discover them through future dev diaries or once the game is released.

Hopefully, it’s clear by now how everything I have talked about hangs together. Maybe you want to murder someone, so you need some Agents. However, no one wants to join, so you dig for Secrets that can be converted into Blackmail Hooks. Meanwhile, you’re running a Personal Scheme (such as Sway) to increase another potential Agent’s opinion of you, so that you can convince them that -- yes, their Liege really is that bad.

But what if everyone hates you (on account of all the murderin’) and you’re unable to find a single blackmail-worthy speck of dirt on anyone?

Well, in Crusader Kings 3 there might be something you can do about that…

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Maybe not "not allowed", but that should have huge consequences, like a very high chance of developing madness (is that Banquo's ghost?) or depression.

I'm okay with this too. A morally good ruler who kills someone for greed or lust or succession should deal with a lot of guilt, depression, and fear of damnation.

That being said, I think everyone, even the most evil character, should potentially be affected by killing someone else in cold blood. It might give them even more negative traits, or make them change their ways, or cause them to go insane.
 
The stress system, where you're character gains stress if you act against their traits, handles this.

Stress system? I haven't seen mention of a stress system yet, can you link it here?
 
Don't see why the plotter gets such strong protection. There could be an option to roll back progress to forestall being discovered.

The target has to have the possibility of being attracted to the Seducer for there being any chance of success. By default you can also only Seduce characters you could be attracted to.

Any chance homosexual traits will be hidden by default (at least for characters of Abrahamic religions)? That would add another nice bit of intrigue which was missing in CKII!
 
1) Can secrets be inherited upon death, and, if so, not necessarily to the heir? Perhaps, every secret has a random chance of being passed on. If the secret succeeds the check to be passed on, it then has an X% chance of being passed on to the heir, close family member, councilor, or friend/lover. For example, "As the King, your father, lays dying upon his bed, he motions for you to come closer. As you lean in, he frets, 'Not you, you louse! Your brother.' You turn back to see that your half-brother, the bastard Geoffrey, was standing just behind you. As he leans his ear to your dying father's lips, a confused look overcomes his face. However, soon enough, he turns his head towards you and flashes a knowing and sinister grin."

2) Can risky murder plots trigger random collateral deaths - both beneficial and not? For example, a poison plot on Count X could end up poisoning his wife, your sister, as well. Typically, these could affect anyone within the same court.

3) Can murder plots be partially successful? For example, a poison plot could result in the target being maimed or falling into a coma (causing a regency). You can start a new murder plot now that they're an easier target, but there's always a chance that they could wake from their sleep and name their murderer.
 
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The stress system, where you're character gains stress if you act against their traits, handles this.

Yes, I know that... but that is not really obvious and I think that a player might well (I'd do it) decide that "I'll increase my stress a bit, which might eventually lead to some annoyances later in the game" is a worthy price to pay for "I'll kill my brother and become King". But a modest, kind and trustworthy character should never want to become King in the first place!

More generally, I found the stress system in CK2 way too abstract, as you never really know what caused it. It feels more like a random trait (it feels so even if it is not so)
 
Yes, I know that... but that is not really obvious and I think that a player might well (I'd do it) decide that "I'll increase my stress a bit, which might eventually lead to some annoyances later in the game" is a worthy price to pay for "I'll kill my brother and become King". But a modest, kind and trustworthy character should never want to become King in the first place!

More generally, I found the stress system way too obscure, as you never really know what caused it. It feels more like a random trait (it feels so even if it is not so)
I guess it's just a matter of scale. How much does doing something like this increase your stress? How bad are the penalties for high stress? Hopefully they'll both be high enough to heavily discourage something like this.
 
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Any chance homosexual traits will be hidden by default (at least for characters of Abrahamic religions)? That would add another nice bit of intrigue which was missing in CKII!

Well, if I understood correctly, there won't be any "homosexual" trait in CKIII to start with, as sexuality will be treated in an entirely different way:

Sexuality [is] no longer handled by the trait system
 
I guess it's just a matter of scale. How much does doing something like this increase you're stress? How bad are the penalties for high stress? Hopefully they'll both be high enough to heavily discourage something like this.

I'd agree, but only if stress penalties were made clear to the player as a consequence of the decision (not necessarily as a quantity, even a message like "Since XXX has the trait Y and Z, this decision might result in high stress!")
 
So anyone can seduce now? We will not need to unlock something in the intrigue tree? If so, that's an improvement.

Can we seduce our spouse now or is marital love still forbidden?
 
Sounds great.
One question that I think hasn't been asked yet: How many plots can you have?
You mentioned that murder and sway is possible at the same time, but does this generalize (are there other "types" of plots that do not conflict with another)? Can modders add additional plot types?

Or can you even have more plots with a higher intrigue score (maybe only for the player and not much more, possibly with lower chances)?

Are all hooks considered to be of equal value? Just asking because asking (force with hook) someone to help me killing (let's say our liege and his beloved father) does not seem to be something that someone would accept. And certainly not if the hook is about his sexual activities some 10 years ago.
Maybe asking someone to join my plot (also with hook) should have a success chance based on their opinion and the circumstances (of target and me, 100% chance in some cases) and if they refuse, they get a hook against me. In the case described here, that guy would just refuse, tell his father and he'd lock me up.
 
Sounds interesting!

My biggest concern: given that anyone can now plot to seduce (you don't need a specific focus), how do you avoid the post-WoL situation where pretty much every character has a secret lover or two, thanks to massive AI seduction spam?
 
Sounds interesting!

My biggest concern: given that anyone can now plot to seduce (you don't need a specific focus), how do you avoid the post-WoL situation where pretty much every character has a secret lover or two, thanks to massive AI seduction spam?
Probably by making it so that only lustful characters, or possibly ambitious characters will initiate seduction, by having only similarly traited characters respond favorable to seduction.

And by making it so when a character says "NO", the initiator can not simply spam seduction until the other eventually says yes...
 
Great stuff! I'm glad that 'sway', 'seduction', and 'plots' are all being streamlined into a single system, and integrated with other systems such as the old 'favours'. For what it's worth, I agree with a few others who don't like the label 'hooks'. The label 'leverage' is much more immersive.

I have one substantial suggestion. It would be nice if there was a promise mechanic, whereby you promise to give something to someone upon the execution of a task, such as the success of a scheme. It should be possible to promise something that you don't currently have, but would have, if the scheme is successful. It should be possible to reneg on promises, which would lead to a massive opinion hit with that character and possibly a hit to overall reputation if this is something you do on a regular basis. I think a promise mechanic could fit well into a number of other systems, not just schemes, and is certainly very thematic.
 
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'You might want to keep hold of a Hook once you have it, though, rather than spending it. Having a Hook on someone can prevent them from taking hostile actions towards you -- particularly useful when dealing with pesky vassals. Be warned, however. While having a strong Blackmail Hook on someone really gives you the upper hand, it will be lost if the Secret you are blackmailing over is exposed.'
What if you want to be blackmailed no more, come clean of your sins, but then arrest them for trying to blackmail you?
 
I agree with @LeonOfOdecca , a promise mechanic would be great. Also, will it be possible to use hooks to extort money or more levies from a vassal?