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CK3 Dev Diary #74 - Please Kaiser, Can I Have Some More?

Greetings counts and dukes! Today we will be looking at The Royal Court from a different perspective: your perspective!

While being a queen or emperor is great and all, sometimes it can be a bit of a drag to manage all those vying subjects. Sometimes, you just want to rule a small corner of a mightier realm, and enjoy the benefits of the Emperor’s protection, and while a duchess doesn’t have their own Royal Court, they can interact with their Liege’s via two new decisions.

Petition Liege
Player vassals can approach their King-or-above ranked Liege with a Petition at any time through a new decision, providing they have enough Prestige, there is something they can ask for, and they haven’t done so in the last 5 years. Lieges will currently only interact with this content if they happen to have a player as their vassal and they make their own—no doubt outrageous—requests.

The possibilities include asking for a position on your Liege’s Council, asking for a Title you hold a claim on, or dismantling an unruly Faction in your own realm. There are currently 14 different options, each having some equivalent in the Hold Court events brought to Lieges by AI vassals, ranging from helping you convert your lands to paying off your debts.

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This will allow you to ask for things directly without resorting immediately to war, which can remain a last resort for when you need to topple that king whose tolerance of border-gore clearly proves their illegitimacy.

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It is up to the Liege whether to receive a Petitioner, though outright refusing will damage relations and be seen as slightly tyrannical. The request itself may also be rejected once heard, and the odds of acceptance by the AI will be tipped more in your favor if you make reasonable requests and maintain good relations; after all, your boss doesn’t want to be seen as unreasonable.

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If they are astute, your Liege may also ask for something in return for granting your Petition, such as a Favor Hook or a bit of Gold—a counter you can of course reject, leaving you both empty-handed.

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If a Liege is not being very forthcoming, you can also attempt to convince or outsmart a trusted advisor as a last resort, at the cost of some Prestige. You will need to pass a skill check in a relevant area, usually against one of your Liege’s councillors, or have an ally near to the throne—the King’s wife perhaps—whose assent will force your Liege’s hand.

Pay Homage
Homage represents the formal pledge of loyalty by a feudal lord to their Liege, and provides Opinion, Renown, and Prestige to both parties, providing the occasion goes smoothly. This decision is also available to AI as well as players.

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This decision costs some Prestige to initiate, is only available to Feudal and Clan vassals, and can only be undertaken once per Liege. If the ruler changes or dies, you can make a new pledge of allegiance to their replacement.

As with Petition Liege, this decision can be rejected outright, and is not totally without risk even if they let you through the door. There is a great deal of pressure for such an important event to go well, and not all lords and ladies are made for public speaking.

Things can go awry in a variety of ways, depending on the Petitioner’s skills and other factors: Have you put in the hours to learn Norman, or merely practised a few key lines the night before on the road to Windsor? Will your Shah empathise with your stammer, or imitate it in front of the entire Persian court? Will you forever more be called ‘the Clumsy’ by your vindictive Sultan, simply because you lost your balance once?

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If something does go wrong, it is up to the Liege to decide if they will let it go—giving your rival the opportunity to publicly mock your clumsiness might not be the best idea. If they do decide to embarrass you, you will lose some Prestige and Opinion with your Liege, instead of gaining them.

Regardless of the outcome, both your Dynasties will gain a small amount of Renown, and the rewards are increased by offering gifts in addition to your pledge, such as a Contract change in favor of your Liege.

That broadly covers these two new decisions, so I’ll leave it there for now!
 
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Respectfully (and I know I haven't seen the "spamminess" myself), I disagree.

Once realms become "larger", the game always felt boring to me anyway: The game snowballs. The game becomes too easy. There's nothing I hate more than sitting pretty as a strong ruler with vassals who are just gonna LOVE my son once he clicks 20 buttons.

"Larger Realms" = Time to Quit

I'd MUCH rather deal with vassals who like to cram their way to my door, who can't stand their station in life. Gimme some drama!
Isn't that what the "Hold Court" activity mentioned in previous DD is for?
 
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The "Hold Court" activity itself limits the number of petitions (I think it's 3). Either way, it's very disempowering to your vassals. The dev's seem focused on limiting the amount of "spam" and other events/requests given to the player, for fear that players will get annoyed and stop playing.

I, on the other hand, have stopped playing months ago because there's nothing interesting for powerful leaders to do (that isn't easily attainable).
 
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So my vassals will finally ask me for mediation before declaring war on each other? When can we expect this to launch?!
 
The "Hold Court" activity itself limits the number of petitions (I think it's 3). Either way, it's very disempowering to your vassals. The dev's seem focused on limiting the amount of "spam" and other events/requests given to the player, for fear that players will get annoyed and stop playing.

I, on the other hand, have stopped playing months ago because there's nothing interesting for powerful leaders to do (that isn't easily attainable).
On the other hand is 100 variations on "please boss, can you do me a favour" *interesting*?

That's the problem with interactions that get described as "spammy" : multiple copies of the same interaction - or set of interactions - isn't inherently interesting, even if a few iterations of it would be.
It isn't just "players getting annoyed and stopping playing" that's the problem. It's important notifications getting drowned by the 67th request by Duke Irrelevant III to grant him a claim on land you don't want him to have a claim on, whilst Count Boring of Nothingsville is determined that you should pay off *another* 1000 coins worth of his debts, and has made his 12th request this year on this matter.
 
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I feel like there should be punishments related to refusing to pay homage. It would be awfully disrespectful to not visit and pay homage to your glorious liege-lord I imagine, so something simple like a stacking negative opinion modifier the longer you refuse to pay homage would make sense IMO. Even if your character is a mess, you still have to face the music eventually!

Likewise, not sure if this is already the case but there should be something similar for holding court, a ruler who goes full Dracula and just broods in their castle for decades without ever holding court and listening to their subjects/vassals should probably be thought poorly of.
 
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I always considered paradox diaries a kind of analogy when a child is shown candy, teased and then taken into her pocket, saying you will be a good boy/girl, then you get...
I can't wait for them to announce that dlc comes out then, then. I really want to immerse myself again in the game with new mechanics, especially with regard to cultures and the creation of my own flags for coats of arms and titles, and here also the long-awaited innovation, when it will be possible to demand something from the overlord, and not as it was unilaterally, that only the overlord could take away your land at claim and without it ;)
And I hope for the early release of the game on ps5 so that my wife does not tell me how tired I am of her, because I am constantly sitting in another komnat :rofl
 
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I like it!

But... one thing I hope CK3 (and all PDX games) moves away from is hard cooldowns on thing. I dislike arbitrary 'you can do this action in exactly 5 years and not a day sooner' buttons. I would MUCH prefer if you can try to petition your liege the day after having petitioned them, but you annoy them and lose a lot of opinion. So that, after 5 years, you wouldn't lose any opinion, after only 4 years you'd lose a little opinion, etc. Soft limits instead of hard ones, you know. Makes it much more of a strategic thing of how much it's worth to you.
 
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Someone will have to correct me, but I believe this was tried. Was incredibly spammy for larger realms.
Couldn't this simply be avoided by a decision "Do not accept petitions" which can be toggled on and off? Or set the frequency via a game rule? It would really be a big loss if a player liege would never receive petitions from his vasalls. This is part of the job!
 
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So what Royal Court content is left to cover in the dev diaries? Personal artifacts? Can't think of anything else.
I’m struggling to think of expansion content they haven’t covered in a DD.

Are we only left with DD’s on 1.5 patch content? They’ve already covered some of that this summer.
 
Would the once per 5 year petition rule work per each type of petition ? Would be shame if otherwise just once for all types..

Idea: how about implementing petition for asking liege to change laws/inheritance rules ?
 
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On the other hand is 100 variations on "please boss, can you do me a favour" *interesting*?
Yes!

You're the Godfather. You do favors. You balance between being generous and being a pushover. And it's public (so both you and your vassal risk losing face). And there's material consequences to the realm.

Compare that to the "sway scheme". (uhhh... how should I compliment him?... uhhh... does it say "gregarious" under his picture?!) THAT'S an uninteresting mechanic imo.

It isn't just "players getting annoyed and stopping playing" that's the problem. It's important notifications getting drowned by the 67th request by Duke Irrelevant III to grant him a claim on land you don't want him to have a claim on, whilst Count Boring of Nothingsville is determined that you should pay off *another* 1000 coins worth of his debts, and has made his 12th request this year on this matter.
How condescending to your vassals! jk

But really... why would there be 67 requests for the same claim? Or a monthly request for 1000 money? Well.......... Why wouldn't the player do these things? It costs prestige, possible negative opinion, and the risk of a DEVASTATING nickname!

The same risks apply to the AI (or they should). After they've been rejected and humiliated, they'll cool down for a few years.

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Of course, if it's extra pop-ups and notifications you don't want, then I agree. The dev's could just confine these "major" requests to when you Hold Court. But again, for some reason, they want to restrict the number of petitioners to 3. I think this shows a lack of confidence in their own mechanic.

If you're gonna throw a 3D room in the middle of a 2D game.... and spend months developing it..... why not go ALL IN? Why not give the court events some drama? Arguments? Negotiations? Character revelations? Why not move more mechanics into the Court?
 
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