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Hello everyone!

I'm Tobias Bodlund, Scripter on the Crusader Kings II team, and I bid you all welcome to this week's dev diary for Crusader kings II: Charlemagne.

Autumn is coming in Sweden but the birds are still singing, though sometimes out of tune.

Today we'll be discussing some new changes that affect how you rule your realm. Some of these things are obviously patch content, while some are locked to having the Charlemagne expansion.

The first thing we've done is to add a vassal limit. This is exactly what it sounds like - a limit to how many vassals a ruler can have without receiving penalties. Every vassal of count tier or above will count against this limit. The vassal limit will be higher for rulers of higher tiers, and for rulers with higher diplomacy skill. Another factor that increases the limit is your dynasty's prestige. You can also affect your vassal limit by changing your Centralization Law (this touches on an important new law mechanic - more on this later in this dev diary).

So what are the penalties of going over your vassal limit? Well, you will immediately get a penalty to the taxes and levies for all your vassals. This penalty increases exponentially, and if you go far enough over the limit you will get no vassal taxes or levies at all.

The second danger of being over the limit is that when your ruler dies, there is a chance of any vassal simply becoming independent instead of swearing fealty to your heir. The risk of this happening increases the higher over the limit you are. Vassals who are geographically more distant from your capital are the ones who are most likely to declare independence.

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We've also made a very important change to how laws depend on technology. Many laws are now unlocked by advancing your Legalism technology. Higher levels in this tech are needed to unlock higher levels of Centralization, Crown Authority, Levy and Taxation laws and Viceroy laws (again, just keep reading to find out more about this). This means that you will see a big difference in the tools available to organize your realm early game vs late game.

With these changes, Legalism no longer directly increases your demesne size limit, this modifier has been removed. Also, the short reign penalty modifier has been moved to the Majesty tech.

So, what does the Centralization Law do now? Well, firstly, it's a demesne law and so applies to your entire realm. Secondly, it has five tiers, going from fully decentralized to fully centralized. Lower centralization grants you a bonus to Vassal Limit, while high Centralization grants a bonus to Demesne Size Limit and a penalty to Vassal Limit. This presents the player with an interesting choice - do you want to focus on a larger, less centralized realm or on a stronger personal demesne but having a harder time of organizing your many vassals?

How legalism unlocks laws will be moddable to a large extent.

Now, to viceroys... With the Charlemagne DLC, it will be possible for a non-tribal emperor tier character to appoint viceroys to rule any kingdom or duchy titles that the emperor himself holds. This is effectively a lifetime governorship, where the viceroy becomes a vassal of the empire. Any landed vassal of count tier or above can be granted a viceroyalty. However, the viceroy does not own the title, but rather rules in his liege's name. When he dies, the title goes back to the liege. For all other purposes, the viceroy functions as a normal vassal. One character can hold several viceroyalties.

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The ability to appoint viceroys is unlocked by the Legalism tech, and kingdom viceroyalties are unlocked much earlier than duchy viceroyalties.

Viceroys will gain an opinion bonus to the liege who grants the title, so should usually be quite loyal. However, should a viceroy mount a successful rebellion or otherwise become independent he will gain the granted kingdom or duchy as a permanent title.

We have also made some changes to regencies. The essence of it is that a character's regent is now more of a conscious actor, and will not automatically act in the liege's interest. A regent who dislikes you will be somewhat likely to make things difficult for you, and certain types of personality traits will also be likely to cause problems. Diplomatic actions may be blocked if the regent does not approve, for example. A friendly regent is your best bet for getting things done your way, but there are also other considerations. Any regent is likely to prefer seeing you married to someone of their own religion and culture, for example.

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Since choosing your regent has now become much more important, you will be able to name a regent beforehand, via "Award Honorary Title" in a character's diplomacy interface. Your Designated Regent is officially recognized as the one chosen to take the reins if a regency is required.

In addition to the things mentioned, there are a number of smaller changes intended to make ruling your realm more interesting, and some intended to just make it easier. One example of this is the possibility for a councilmember to help you assign recently acquired titles for you if you have a lot of them.

In the final dev diary next week we will be talking about the new tribal mechanics. See you then!
 
I doubt it. With this new Paradox system of a vassal cap, viceroys appear to be necessary for territorial expansion beyond a certain point. By putting Viceroys in the DLC and changing the vassal mechanics, Paradox is/would be condemning players without the DLC to a maximum expansion range, meaning they couldn't do a WC if they so desired.

I follow your reasoning but it leads me to the conclusion that viceroys will 100% be expansion content.
 
Are the viceroy handouts going to be limited in some way or are we free to have an entire realm of viceroys forever and never have to deal with claim-breeding dynasties ever again?
 
Are the viceroy handouts going to be limited in some way or are we free to have an entire realm of viceroys forever and never have to deal with claim-breeding dynasties ever again?
Viceroys are still counts and dukes, and they will try to gain as much power as possible.

So... if you give viceroyalty to one of your counts in France and he revokes all duchies and lots of counties there... on his death, his son will be a superduke with enormous land and levies. And then he will plot to gain the whole kingdom...
 
You can already simulate viceregencies effectively by doing 'play X' and 'succ appointment'. Although that hopes they don't change it and you still get penalties.

It's what I did whenever I played the ERE.
 
Viceroys are still counts and dukes, and they will try to gain as much power as possible.

So... if you give viceroyalty to one of your counts in France and he revokes all duchies and lots of counties there... on his death, his son will be a superduke with enormous land and levies. And then he will plot to gain the whole kingdom...

Is this your guess, that viceroys will have the full powers of the title, or is it confirmed somewhere?
 
Did the Dev say if viceroys can cast votes as electors? I didn't see it mentioned.
Why do you assume that viceroy will be different from other vassals? I think they will be normal vassals with different succession type. Devs didn't mention that VRs won't be able to do anything except passing the title to their heir.
 
Viceroys are still counts and dukes, and they will try to gain as much power as possible.

So... if you give viceroyalty to one of your counts in France and he revokes all duchies and lots of counties there... on his death, his son will be a superduke with enormous land and levies. And then he will plot to gain the whole kingdom...

I thought all the land the viceroy held returns to the emperor/empress upon death? Is that only the title the emperor/empress SPECIFICALLY gave him?
 
I thought all the land the viceroy held returns to the emperor/empress upon death? Is that only the title the emperor/empress SPECIFICALLY gave him?
No, only the kingdom/duchy. Since it is required that Viceroy must be at least a count, it would be silly if ALL his land went to you after his death. It would be easy and gamey way to steal land from your vassals. Give him viceroyalty, kill him, repeat until North Korea Mode.
 
No, only the kingdom/duchy. Since it is required that Viceroy must be at least a count, it would be silly if ALL his land went to you after his death. It would be easy and gamey way to steal land from your vassals. Give him viceroyalty, kill him, repeat until North Korea Mode.

That was how i understood it as well
 
I doubt it. With this new Paradox system of a vassal cap, viceroys appear to be necessary for territorial expansion beyond a certain point. By putting Viceroys in the DLC and changing the vassal mechanics, Paradox is/would be condemning players without the DLC to a maximum expansion range, meaning they couldn't do a WC if they so desired.
Or, you could just give out titles the regular way. The only thing special about viceroyalties is that they're not inheritable.
 
What happens when you elevate a count to viceroy while his main title is in de jure territory of an actual duke-level or king-level vassal of yours? Said vassal should be outraged by this to say the least.
 
In the Twitch, did they actually have this discussion?

Guy in chat: Give some attention to other pagans!
Paradox guy: You know, that sounds wonderful idea. Perhaps we should put it to drawing board.

(pause)
Paradox guy: Or perhaps we have already planned something for this.

Or was it talking about Vicky 3?
 
In the Twitch, did they actually have this discussion?

Guy in chat: Give some attention to other pagans!
Paradox guy: You know, that sounds wonderful idea. Perhaps we should put it to drawing board.

(pause)
Paradox guy: Or perhaps we have already planned something for this.

Or was it talking about Vicky 3?

Pagans in Vicky 3...?