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It's Wednesday, and time to answer some questions about the upcoming DLC for Crusader Kings II; Legacy of Rome. The focus of this mini-expansion is going to be the Byzantine Empire and the Orthodox church. First off, in order to clear up any confusion from the original announcement, it's a bit smaller in scope than the Sword of Islam so the price is set at $5.99. While I say it's smaller in scope, if you include all the stuff we're adding for free in the accompanying patch (v1.07) it's probably about the same size as SoI and v1.06.

So, let's take a look at what's in the DLC and what's in patch 1.07...

LEGACY OF ROME DLC

  • Retinue system. If you don't have the DLC, you won't see the new interface and you cannot hire retinues (and neither will the AI.) The technology that controls the max size of your retinue and relative decrease of normal levy sizes simply does not have this effect without the DLC.
  • Orthodox Councillor models
  • Major Decisions for the Byzantine Empire
  • Byzantine Events

Oh, and we're taking another tack with the DLC this around - if you don't own the DLC, the AI won't be using the new mechanics or events either. Also, from now on in multiplayer mode, the host will control which DLCs are active.

PATCH 1.07


  • Faction system. Replaces many existing plots and normal revolt mechanics with factions.
  • Personal Improvement Ambitions
  • Orthodox Patriarch system
  • Have both a Plot and an Ambition at the same time
  • Revised levy raising. (You raise a single, large levy from each direct vassal. The opinions of vassals of vassals are irrelevant.)
  • Leader Focus on Combat
  • More Cultural Buildings
  • Improved AI
  • Bug fixes (of course)

I will talk about all these features in detail in upcoming dev diaries, but for now, that's all!
 
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Question, is the prior release Sword of Islam required for Legacy of Rome?

I'm still working on the prior version and haven't acquired SOI. So, I'm wondering if I can skip it and go straight to LOR (great acronym!).

Thanks in advance,

-Val
 
Thure said:
Why should the Roman Empire restore the Roman Empire...?
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It would be really cool that IF the ERE takes Rome (or maybe Italy) in some sort of Byzantine-only CB, it gives a claim on all territories of the former Roman Empire. Along with that can be some special RP opportunities via events, which will trigger different temporary and permanent statuses.
 
Actually, I approve of the smaller DLCs. It means they can fix the bugs faster and not acrue 5000 new ones with each large patch. Also, they are fixing ALL bugs (Which really means most), and hopefully the mac memory leaks as well!

I actually hope for another feudal Europe DLC
 
I've only bought Ruler Creator DLC but this sounds purchase worthy. Love the new DLC concept. I had no interest in playing as Muslim so I was able just to not buy it. Thats great.
 
Ok..confused here..

The initial post says retinues "standing armies" is ONLY for DLC customers.

But post in post #5 Doom says it is for everyone. Which is it?


Standing Armies in the Medieval Period kind of irritates me, so I'm hoping its DLC only..:)
 
Agrippa43 said:
Ok..confused here..

The initial post says retinues "standing armies" is ONLY for DLC customers.

But post in post #5 Doom says it is for everyone. Which is it?


Standing Armies in the Medieval Period kind of irritates me, so I'm hoping its DLC only..:)
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For everyone, not only Byzantium; but only if you purchased the DLC. As for retinues, they are more like royal guards - others already quoted examples of this.
 
Agrippa43 said:
Ok..confused here..

The initial post says retinues "standing armies" is ONLY for DLC customers.

But post in post #5 Doom says it is for everyone. Which is it?


Standing Armies in the Medieval Period kind of irritates me, so I'm hoping its DLC only..:)
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He meant everyone in regards to the medieval countries, not the people who play the game :p
 
Valentinan said:
Question, is the prior release Sword of Islam required for Legacy of Rome?

I'm still working on the prior version and haven't acquired SOI. So, I'm wondering if I can skip it and go straight to LOR (great acronym!).

Thanks in advance,

-Val
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You can skip it (SoI), it only enables you to play muslims. But now they changed that policy a bit as the Byzzies were playable already. So you need the DLC to get the special stuff.
 
Warlord Skorr said:
Will there be a 'Restoring the Pentarchy' mechanism as well?
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I doubt it and hope very much not so. The Pope should be there as long as a single catholic standing. At least in CK2 the pope is able to get to another place than Rome, not like in EU3.
 
Phelan said:
In the timeframe of CK II there were for example the huscarls of Harald Godwinson (3000 men).

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housecarl
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From your wiki link:


"One theory is that these men were Canute's housecarls, and that they served as a well-equipped, disciplined, professional, and quite numerous (for the time) standing army at the service of the king. However, another theory is that there was nothing like an important, standing, royal army in 11th century Anglo-Saxon England."

The notion that the Housecarls was a "Standing Army" is but a theory.

What's next? Women leading 10,000 man standing armies?
 
It seems that what paradox wants to do isn't a standing army but a little suite of warriors. Like scottish guard for french.

So I doubt it will be over 100 men (if so, yes, it seems stupid)
 
tompalmer said:
It seems that what paradox wants to do isn't a standing army but a little suite of warriors. Like scottish guard for french.

So I doubt it will be over 100 men (if so, yes, it seems stupid)
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Ok, so what then would be its purpose in the game? A 100 man retinue is not going to be able to defeat peasant revolts (usually near 1000 men at least). And a 100 man retinue cant defeat a rebelling vassal. So do they just sit there and look pretty?

If you make the retinue into the thousands where it can fight, now you have the silliness factor of a thousand man standing army in the medieval period.
 
Aardvark Bellay said:
I doubt it and hope very much not so. The Pope should be there as long as a single catholic standing. At least in CK2 the pope is able to get to another place than Rome, not like in EU3.
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I could support something like being able to force the Pope in Rome to recognise the supremacy of the Ecenumical Patriarch in Constantinople if your Prestige/Piety is high enough and you either control the Kingdom of Italy or you are occupying the Papacy (potentially Orthodox would get the causus belli 'enforce the Pentarchy' against the Papacy but which would have the option of bringing in other Catholic states). At this point the Pope would have the option to spend 500 prestige (or some other reasonably high number) to flee Rome and bunk up elsewhere dropping religious authority. If they don't have enough prestige, then religious authority drops further and a relations hit with all bishops occurs, along with the AI becoming more eager to create an antipope.

I'm not sure of the exact details.
 
tompalmer said:
Maybe to have a kind of kingsguard
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Standing armies for non-orthodox countries sound silly.
As the are supposed to be limited along some tech, maybe have it late ingame and then only 500-4000 men size or such.
The "fog may be cleared" but we're stuck in the mud now. :)

Cymreag said:
I could support something like being able to force the Pope in Rome to recognise the supremacy of the Ecenumical Patriarch in Constantinople if your Prestige/Piety is high enough and you either control the Kingdom of Italy or you are occupying the Papacy (potentially Orthodox would get the causus belli 'enforce the Pentarchy' against the Papacy but which would have the option of bringing in other Catholic states). At this point the Pope would have the option to spend 500 prestige (or some other reasonably high number) to flee Rome and bunk up elsewhere dropping religious authority. If they don't have enough prestige, then religious authority drops further and a relations hit with all bishops occurs, along with the AI becoming more eager to create an antipope.

I'm not sure of the exact details.
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HMpfgrrr.....sounds like a reasonable compromise....but sorry i'm still against it. No that it matters of course. ;)
 
Aardvark Bellay said:
I doubt it and hope very much not so. The Pope should be there as long as a single catholic standing. At least in CK2 the pope is able to get to another place than Rome, not like in EU3.
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Given that the Pentarcy itself is a game mechanic, there's going to be something going on. Judging from the screenie that shows the 5 sees, with Rome vacant, it seems likely that it will be possible to install an Orthodox Patriarch of Rome, even while there's Catholic Pope.
 
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