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Well, what do you know? It's Legacy of Rome dev diary day again! Today's topics are Liege Levies and Retinues.

In patch v1.07, you raise fewer, larger levies from your direct vassals (we call these "Liege Levies" for lack of a better term.) These levies are now handled separately from actual Holding levies; you only get regular holding levies from your own Demesne. The opinions of vassals of vassals are thus now mostly irrelevant; you only need to worry about the opinions of your direct vassals. Another benefit is that you don't get tiny little armies all over the place when you mobilize your realm. Liege levies also fix a fundamental balancing flaw in that you can no longer just keep raising little levies from all vassals as a war drags on (due to the portion of holding levies that was reserved for the liege.) The new Liege Levies do not reinforce at home while raised.

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That's it for Liege Levies. Now, the concept of Retinues should be familiar to those of you who have played Sengoku. Basically, Retinues are your household guard; your elite core of professional soldiers. At the start of the game, most rulers are not able to employ Retinues, but it becomes possible as their total manpower (based on all the levies in their realm) and average Military Organization (a new technology) level increase. Over time, the Retinues turn into proper standing armies. The downside is that, as your Retinue capacity increases, your normal levies decrease in size. However, even at max tech, levies will still account for the majority of your armies.

There are many types of Retinues available for hire - including several unique cultural variants - though they always come in 500-man regiments with a commander of your own culture. Retinues reinforce in the field, like mercenaries, and when you first hire them, they start with 1 man. Unlike armies in other games, for example Europa Universalis, Retinues only cost maintenance while they reinforce. You are of course allowed to declare war even if you have Retinues (which are always standing on the map.)

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So, why did we choose to add the Retinue system to the DLC? Why should you spend $6 on Legacy of Rome rather than a Latte and a slice of cake? There are many reasons, including these:

  • Retinues make arranging your flanks and balancing your armies far more tactical
  • Having a dependable standing army ready is strategically preferable
  • They fit nicely into the overall military system in patch v1.07 with Liege Levies, etc
  • History saw levy based militaries transform gradually into more professional forces

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I should mention again that the whole Retinue mechanic requires that you own the DLC; if you don't, the new Retinue tab will be grayed out in the military view and the AI will not use Retinues either. However, if the host in a multiplayer game owns the DLC, all players will be able to use Retinues.

I think that will do it for today. Next week, I plan to talk about the new Leader traits and cultural buildings. Until then!
 
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I think there's likely to be 3 more DD's for this, hard to see how there'd be more. One for the Patriarchy, one for Byzantine-specific events/decisions, and one for the new combat stuff.
 
Everyone who has enough total manpower under them.
So will the size of the levy be determined by the max among of levies you can raise? So that while the King of Sweden can only raise 500 men as an retinue the King of France can raise 2000 men.

3 thousands seems historicaly too much. 200 men is more likely
Well if you look closely the cataphracts take up 1600 of the retinue slot so he can only hire for 400 more which means that he probably can't hire more in the retinue and I hardly think it's inaccurate for the byzantine Emperor to have 300 knights and 200 horse archers guarding him.
 
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* what is the actual difference between mercenaries and retinues? Both cost money and are "permanent" until disbanded.
* when shall the portrait DLC be released?
 
So what's this about commander of our retinue? Can you give him court positions? Can he join plots and factions? If he dislikes you enough, can he rebel with the retinue and coup you? Can he demand bribes and gifts? Because it would be awesome if he could do those things. Mamluks anyone?
 
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If retinue sizes depend on the total manpower, does it means that the Papacy and Venice won't be able to recruit much of them, even with all their wealth, and have to continue to rely on mercenaries?

I mostly ask as I expected the retinues to serve as a well needed money sink for both of them, once they have finished building up all their holdings.
 
Are there any plans to revise decadence?
 
If retinue sizes depend on the total manpower, does it means that the Papacy and Venice won't be able to recruit much of them, even with all their wealth, and have to continue to rely on mercenaries?

I mostly ask as I expected the retinues to serve as a well needed money sink for both of them, once they have finished building up all their holdings.

Did the Pope and Venice have a big 'standing army' or did they use mostly mercenaries ? I would say the latter.
 
So what's this about commander of our retinue? Can you give him court positions? Can he join plots and factions? If he dislikes you enough, can he rebel with the retinue and coup you? Can he demand bribes and gifts? Because it would be awesome if he could do those things. Mamluks anyone?

This is sounds great.
 
If I have city levies at the minimum 50% (so i can rack the burghers on taxes) and feudal levies maxed at 100%, what percentage of levies will I get from a Baron who is the vassal of a Doge? Would the Baron's opinion of the Doge matter or just my vassal's opinion of me?

If this goes how I think it will then the value of nobles -vs- mayors for duchies just took a big shift in favor of dukes.
 
Am I understanding correctly that all your levies will be spawned in your capital once you call them? This would be quite a benefit for realms with holdings far away from each other, e.g. your troops in Jerusalem will teleport to your capital in France. I don't think that this an enrichment on tactics. :/
Wouldn't it be more nice if they were spawned in the direct liege's capital, thus less micromanaging but still a considerable amount of time to gather troops, making fast strikes with your retinue rewarding?
 
... nice if they were spawned in the direct liege's capital, thus less micromanaging but still a considerable amount of time to gather troops, making fast strikes with your retinue rewarding?

hopefully this
 
Well, what do you know? It's Legacy of Rome dev diary day again!

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The game features sound alright. However I do have a serious problem with all the faces that are visible in these screenshots:

You said there will be a DLC for Greek and oriental christian faces. But if that's so, WHERE ARE THE BEARDS?????

You can't SERIOUSLY claim these are supposed to be medieval Greeks, when not a single guy on this pics has a beard!!! Not even the orthodox patriarchs have them. The priests and patriarchs even still wear those ridiculous clothes and hats, that look nothing like real orthodox priestly attire.
:wacko:

Just for info here are some images straight from wikipedia:

Michael Doukas
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John Chrysostomos
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John Komnenos
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Manuel Komnenos
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Alexios V Doukas
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Theodor Laskaris
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John II Doukas Vatatzes
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Andronikos Paleiologos
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Manuel II Paleiologos
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And so on. A few have no beards but the vast majority do have them. Any book that talks about how franks and greeks did not get along, will talk about how the Greeks, especially priests, had lots of beards and the Franks often did not which was one of the things that they kept on harping about.

I sincerely hope these screenies show the Byzantine faces DLC in a pre-pre-alpha version because if this is what will be up for sale eventually, I'm not buying it.
 
Will there be a formal title of head of Retinue that can be awarded [ like honourary titles] and that person would the lead the troops in battle?